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In reply to the discussion: Cuban President Raul Castro: US Must Lift Embargo And Give Back Guantanamo To Normalize Relations [View all]Judi Lynn
(164,163 posts)55. You seem to have forgotten US-supported monster Fulgencio Batista took the Cuban Treasury
contents before bailing out of Cuba to avoid trial. How could you forget that so easily?
First you rave on about Cuba "stealing" US corporate "property" after everyone knows it offered compensation, after all the many other owners ACCEPTED compensation, then you crab that the US owners didn't get things in the form they desired, all the time knowing that US-supported dictator Batista pilfered the entire Cuban Treasury before heading for the hills.
Nice work if you can get it.
Here's a small entry from Wikipedia on the subject:
In a manner that antagonized the Cuban people, the U.S. government used its influence to advance the interests of and increase the profits of the private American companies, which "dominated the island's economy."[36] As a symbol of this relationship, ITT Corporation, an American-owned multinational telephone company, presented Batista with a Golden Telephone, as an "expression of gratitude" for the "excessive telephone rate increase" that Batista granted at the urging of the U.S. government.[36]
Earl T. Smith, former U.S. Ambassador to Cuba, testified to the U.S. Senate in 1960 that, "Until Castro, the U.S. was so overwhelmingly influential in Cuba that the American ambassador was the second most important man, sometimes even more important than the Cuban president."[47] In addition, nearly "all aid" from the U.S. to Batista's government was in the "form of weapons assistance," which "merely strengthened the Batista dictatorship" and "completely failed to advance the economic welfare of the Cuban people."[36] Such actions later "enabled Castro and the Communists to encourage the growing belief that America was indifferent to Cuban aspirations for a decent life."[36]
According to historian and author James S. Olson, the U.S. government essentially became a "co-conspirator" in the arrangement because of Batista's strong opposition to communism, which, in the rhetoric of the Cold War, seemed to maintain business stability and a pro-U.S. posture on the island.[5] Thus, in the view of Olson, "The U.S. government had no difficulty in dealing with him, even if he was a hopeless despot."[5] On October 6, 1960 Senator John F. Kennedy, in the midst of his campaign for the U.S. Presidency, described Batista's relationship with the U.S. government and criticized the Eisenhower administration for supporting him:
"Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years ... and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police statedestroying every individual liberty. Yet our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the United States in support of his reign of terror. Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batistahailed him as a staunch ally and a good friendat a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom, and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people, and we failed to press for free elections."[36]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista
Interesting snippet from the same source, something many of us, me included, never knew:
The United States supplied Batista with planes, ships, tanks, and the latest technology, such as napalm, which he used against the insurgency. However, in March 1958, the U.S. announced it would stop selling arms to the Cuban government.[63] Soon after, the U.S. imposed an arms embargo, further weakening the government's position,[64] although land owners and others who benefited from the government continued to support Batista.[25]
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That was only the SECOND time Batista swiped the Cuban Treasury. He had already done it once before before bailing in 1959:
Batista lost the 1944 presidential election to Grau San Martin's Autentico Party and with the millions stolen from the Cuban treasury retreated to his Florida Estate in 1950. Presidential elections in Cuba were scheduled for June 1952. The favorite candidate to win was Roberto Agramonte, Professor of Sociology in the University of Havana. Agramonte belonged to the Ortodox Party (Partido del Pueblo Ortodoxo). The Ortodoxos wanted a return to the original principles of the Autentico Party whose leaders were Presidents Grau San Martin (1944-1948) and Carlos Prio Socarras (1948-1952). (Fidel Castro was an active member of the Ortodoxo Party, whose leader Eduardo Chibas, in despair over the failure of the reform program and the corruption of Cuban institutions--in the midst of a radio program -- committed suicide, August 1951(
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/dolgoff/cubanrevolution/chapter6.html
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Cuban President Raul Castro: US Must Lift Embargo And Give Back Guantanamo To Normalize Relations [View all]
Judi Lynn
Jan 2015
OP
That's unfortunate - I don't see any scenario in which the US gives back Guantanamo Bay
George II
Jan 2015
#1
"Except that a lease may be terminated by the lessor." if stipulated in the lease..
EX500rider
Jan 2015
#43
He's referring to the "gov't" that Teddy Roosevelt & his roughriders put in power.
Mika
Jan 2015
#73
If the US was "Imperlists" in 1903 Cuba would have been a US state after we..
EX500rider
Jan 2015
#84
It is leased, until "no longer necessary", which isn't very specific. We paid roughly $200 a year..
George II
Jan 2015
#19
True bullying at its finest. It was accomplished in 1903 with the "Provisional President."
Judi Lynn
Jan 2015
#60
I lived in the US Virgin Islands and a normalization of relations with Cuba
QuestionAlways
Jan 2015
#47
... or give up the Panama Canal, or turn its back on the Shah of Iran or turn over Subic Bay........
marble falls
Jan 2015
#61
Why not? The base was created in what has since been discredited, a war years ago.
freshwest
Jan 2015
#23
+1 If anything, I think closing Guantanamo will help us in the prestige dept. nt
snappyturtle
Jan 2015
#49
Sorry, for some reason I can't see #47. So that doesn't answer my question. Who posted it, or who
freshwest
Jan 2015
#58
I support what they did but have always noticed how STUPID the USA is regarding Cuba
flamingdem
Jan 2015
#81
I think this is the way Guantanamo will be closed without congress. Thanks to President O.
Sunlei
Jan 2015
#121
I think they have the right to ask for it to be returned. Also, it's not about national pride.
freshwest
Jan 2015
#115
Odd-- the same thing was said about simply opening better relations with Cuba, too.
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#107
Mission accomplished. That's what the US sanctions intended to do. Impoverish the people of Cuba.
Mika
Jan 2015
#36
We are an imperialistic country. We will do what makes money for our Oligarch Rulers.
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#46
I think its the opposite. Cuba doesn't have sweatshops making Nike shoes and Sony TVs.
Mika
Jan 2015
#50
can also fly to cuba from canada/mexico no passport is needed. people do this all the time.
Sunlei
Jan 2015
#122
FYI, if you don't qualify under the new regs, it is still illegal for you to go. eom
Mika
Jan 2015
#124
To give back Gitmo, US would have to disinter and dispose of all their murder victims
Demeter
Jan 2015
#11
I don't see the US giving Guantanamo back any time soon, but the lifting of the embargo will
hughee99
Jan 2015
#12
You think Cuba will hold up normalized relations with one of the largest economies in the world
hughee99
Jan 2015
#80
Did they mention the 6,000 American owned properties they seized? (and never paid for)
EX500rider
Jan 2015
#13
Did you mention compensation was offered decades ago and people in other countries,
Judi Lynn
Jan 2015
#14
The payment was to be made in Cuban bonds—an idea that was not taken seriously by the United States
EX500rider
Jan 2015
#16
So U.S. owners, like the George H. W. Bush relatives decided the arrangements taken by others
Judi Lynn
Jan 2015
#45
They knew that the US long game plan was to impoverish Cuba. Of course they wanted cash.
Mika
Jan 2015
#56
You seem to have forgotten US-supported monster Fulgencio Batista took the Cuban Treasury
Judi Lynn
Jan 2015
#55
And exactly who where those 6,000 Americans that "owned" property in Cuba?
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#48
Interesting thing about the 1%. When they gamble on stocks or derivitives or
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#103
I don't think the USofA should use their bully powers to see that corporations like that
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#106
Cuba might be better off negotiating for the US to turn atleast part of Guantanamo
cstanleytech
Jan 2015
#18
Makes sense though I mean why have a large military when you are on an island that doesnt really
cstanleytech
Jan 2015
#42
Yes and since that stupidity they have not tried and why should they? Cuba doesnt hold any real
cstanleytech
Jan 2015
#63
If the people who run the U.S. have no interests in invading Cuba, why did Pres. Dwight Eisenhower
Judi Lynn
Jan 2015
#69
You are talking from decades ago but I am talking currently and currently barring anything
cstanleytech
Jan 2015
#72
Why? For having the audacity to ask us to give up our hub of villainy on their island?
TheKentuckian
Jan 2015
#98