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99. That's your opinion, and the opinion of the right wingers, but it's not the only one.

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 03:16 PM

Apr 2012

And I haven't made up my own "rule" about the ultimate supremacy of individual conscience. That's as much Catholic dogma as anything you could site.

It's too bad you weren't exposed to more Jesuits during your Catholic education.

http://www.alan.com/2010/07/31/catholic-dissent-is-catholic-doctrine-is-church-triumphalism-slow-suicide/

Perhaps the least known aspect of Catholic doctrine, both inside and outside the church, is the “primacy of individual conscience,” which has been explained (by no less an authority than the current Pope—albeit in 1967) this way:

Over the pope as expression of the binding claim of ecclesiastical authority, there stands one’s own conscience which must be obeyed before all else, even if necessary against the requirement of ecclesiastical authority.

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Is Pelz another New Democrat? Fuddnik Apr 2012 #1

As a resident of Washinton State I'm horrified you think we'd welcome carpetbagger Kucinich Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #6

You guys don't want him? Cleita Apr 2012 #13

Yep Auggie Apr 2012 #18

I would love to have him replace Grassley here in IA Vincardog Apr 2012 #29

Shouldn't that be... nxylas Apr 2012 #31

If I could type with my thumbs Vincardog Apr 2012 #32

We want him here cyclezealot Apr 2012 #40

Where is here? And who are "we"? pnwmom Apr 2012 #51

We don't need him to be our savior. Jim McDermott is great, pnwmom Apr 2012 #50

Okay, your loss could be our gain. Cleita Apr 2012 #52

I have no idea why, out of 49 states, he's considering Washington. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #60

As a Logger of Washington State I'd welcome him with Open arms. bahrbearian Apr 2012 #15

He could run against Reichart, but Reichart has been redistricted pnwmom Apr 2012 #53

Couldn't you pretty much say that about most elected officials? tularetom Apr 2012 #2

Actually, the headline is misleading. He didn't actually say that Kucinich was a narcissist. Hissyspit Apr 2012 #8

Pelz is FOS TheMastersNemesis Apr 2012 #3

They did dump Dean but he ended up as DNC Chair and implemented groovedaddy Apr 2012 #5

Now, wouldn't Kucinich make a good chairman...? happerbolic Apr 2012 #12

Only one way to find out. I'm not sure that he has any interest in groovedaddy Apr 2012 #20

And then Obama and the New Dems dumped Dean and lost Congress the next cycle. (nt) w4rma Apr 2012 #82

Well said, the center right model is why Congressional approval is at 13% too just1voice Apr 2012 #38

Leave it up to the voters to decide. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #4

So as I said in my response to post one. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #7

I don't really care if he runs or not. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #9

The 4th ,5th, 8th , or 10th bahrbearian Apr 2012 #21

It's hard to imagine Kucinich carrying one of those conservative districts pnwmom Apr 2012 #55

That won't happen. The deadlines have passed. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #54

Not true. The deadline is May 18th. n/t Daniel537 Apr 2012 #85

Sounds like the real narcissist is the dude who wrote that headline. jobycom Apr 2012 #10

Who in politics ISN'T a narcissist? marshall Apr 2012 #11

I don't recognize the Democratic Party of FDR and Kennedy anymore. Cleita Apr 2012 #14

It's not that he's too left wing, it's that he's not God's gift to Washington. pnwmom Apr 2012 #57

You have hardly been left wing and liberal for all the years you Cleita Apr 2012 #61

Skip the name-calling, please. I'm just a progressive who doesn't always agree with your pnwmom Apr 2012 #63

Name calling? I didn't call you a Freeper or other derogatory slur. Cleita Apr 2012 #64

Wrong. It is name calling and derogatory to call anyone here a "conservaDem." We all identify as pnwmom Apr 2012 #65

No it isn't. Conservadems or Blue Dogs have always been part of the Cleita Apr 2012 #66

This is a site for progressives, which is why there are Greens and other non-Democrats here. pnwmom Apr 2012 #69

Because you don't seem to understand that Kucinich is a Catholic and once held Cleita Apr 2012 #70

Show me one single post where I could be said to have "fought single payer health care pnwmom Apr 2012 #76

You aren't a very good Catholic then. I know I wasn't and I spent years in convent school, living Cleita Apr 2012 #77

I don't let right-wing thugs define my view of what a "good Catholic" should do or believe. pnwmom Apr 2012 #79

There is no right wing in the Catholic Church or any wing in the same Cleita Apr 2012 #80

You're parroting the absolutist beliefs of the right wing, but millions of Catholics, including pnwmom Apr 2012 #83

Well the absolutist beliefs you speak of are the Church. Cleita Apr 2012 #87

No. The Church is the whole body, including all the laity. pnwmom Apr 2012 #91

Well, you are making up your own rules there. I'm happy they taught you about those Cleita Apr 2012 #92

That's your opinion, and the opinion of the right wingers, but it's not the only one. pnwmom Apr 2012 #99

Stop accusing me of being a right winger of any sort. Cleita Apr 2012 #100

I didn't. I said you accepted right-wingers claims to their authority in the church. pnwmom Apr 2012 #101

Yes, we were taught about our conscience being our guides. Cleita Apr 2012 #102

The Pope is not infallible in most of his pronouncements. pnwmom Apr 2012 #103

Wrong. You need to talk to some theologians. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #106

You need to read some actual books, instead of misinterpreting Wikipedia articles. pnwmom Apr 2012 #107

Do you have anything to back up the claim that most Catholics held/hold pro-life views? cali Apr 2012 #81

Most lay Catholics often don't know the Church's teaching and position on a lot of these Cleita Apr 2012 #86

You have completely misunderstood the doctrine of Ex Cathedra. pnwmom Apr 2012 #104

Ex-Cathedra means "from the chair". Cleita Apr 2012 #105

Yes. And it applies only "when he speaks ex cathedra" -- that is, when he proclaims that a doctrine pnwmom Apr 2012 #109

Where are you getting that information? A link would be nice. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #111

You provided a link. Read it again. It says "when" a doctrine is issued ex-cathedra. pnwmom Apr 2012 #112

No, my link didn't say it was only twice in the history of the Church. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #113

There are only 2 instances upon which theologians all agree, and another handful in dispute -- pnwmom Apr 2012 #114

My source says twice in the last two centuries, not in the history of the Church and those two are Cleita Apr 2012 #115

Then here is another church chock full of "bad Catholics": pnwmom Apr 2012 #116

Look you need to hang onto your religion for whatever reason so I know not all Catholics are Cleita Apr 2012 #117

As many as 98% of Catholics disagree that the encyclical on artificial contraception was infallible. pnwmom Apr 2012 #119

Or because he realized that you can not run for the Democratic nomination as prolife karynnj Apr 2012 #88

I don't identify as a "progressive" Throd Apr 2012 #74

Kennedy ran on a platform of cutting taxes and increasing nuclear missiles Freddie Stubbs Apr 2012 #95

That wasn't the only thing he ran on. But to address your concerns. Cleita Apr 2012 #96

So, he ran on making the tax code LESS progressive? Freddie Stubbs Apr 2012 #97

No, I think he wanted to fix it for the middle class. Cleita Apr 2012 #98

hmph! chervilant Apr 2012 #16

No Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #22

Carpetbagger? chervilant Apr 2012 #89

The Third Way Party is ecstatic that the GOP redistricted Dennis out of office. Zorra Apr 2012 #17

I wonder how long it will be before they shove Bernie Sanders out of the Senate. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #19

Sanders is an independent. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #24

He is and he is still a lefty. Cleita Apr 2012 #28

A lefty for sure... Zorra Apr 2012 #47

Vermont isn't Ohio Fearless Apr 2012 #25

Bernie isn't a carpetbagger. He "came up through the ranks" in VT. He is invested in the state and MADem Apr 2012 #41

Get your facts straight Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #23

Um, hmm. It appears that I explicitly stated that in my subject line. Zorra Apr 2012 #45

And losing two congressional seats.... WCGreen Apr 2012 #56

What they fall to mention a2liberal Apr 2012 #26

Classic Politico. Why anyone trusts it as a news source is beyond me. Look at who owns it... RufusTFirefly Apr 2012 #27

Ooh, nasty. Thanks for the info, will regard them with a *more* jaded eye than before. freshwest Apr 2012 #34

Yes. The folks at Politico are the journalistic equivalent of agents provocateur RufusTFirefly Apr 2012 #37

The same J Allbritton who gave GHW Bush a job as a bank Director after Carter fired him as CIA Chief leveymg Apr 2012 #35

Many conservatives trust it, and seem to like it a whole lot. Zorra Apr 2012 #46

Politico's MO is remarkably consistent. It stirs up trouble with the goal of Divide and Conquer RufusTFirefly Apr 2012 #62

They also own the ABC affiliate in DC KamaAina Apr 2012 #49

Ouch. n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #30

How typical, this is a perfectly timed attack... countryjake Apr 2012 #33

I agree! Wind Dancer Apr 2012 #39

why use the label 'hater'? Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2012 #90

Have you read the comments on this thread? Wind Dancer Apr 2012 #118

Dennis was anti-choice before he started trying to run for president. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #36

People do often have their eyes opened on issues as they age... countryjake Apr 2012 #44

Kucinich is being urged to come to Washington -- he doesn't have a better record on woman's issues pnwmom Apr 2012 #59

So the timing of his conversion to being pro-choice is not suspicious to you??? Odin2005 Apr 2012 #71

Many people have short memories. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #58

How is this LBN with no link? Kingofalldems Apr 2012 #42

It got old years ago. Pathetic. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2012 #67

People really think this a good idea? SpartanDem Apr 2012 #43

He didn't just lose an election and get interested in WA. He's been coming out for years and.. freshwest Apr 2012 #68

Here is the link, (OP please update with link) itsrobert Apr 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author MindMover Apr 2012 #72

If Dennis is a narcissist which most politicians are anyway..... MindMover Apr 2012 #73

How odd Steerpike Apr 2012 #75

look whos talking got root Apr 2012 #78

Why are so many people convinced that the Republicans "got rid of" Kucinich? brooklynite Apr 2012 #84

I do believe they got rid of him with the help of DLC Democrats. Cleita Apr 2012 #93

So, you're saying he complained... brooklynite Apr 2012 #108

He explained this morning that his district was chopped into four pieces. Cleita Apr 2012 #110

That would be AWFUL if narcissists started running for public office! bullwinkle428 Apr 2012 #94