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Sancho

(9,211 posts)
8. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 09:58 AM
Feb 2015

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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That will show them for turning off Thomas the Tank Engine. AngryAmish Feb 2015 #1
Ha Ha lsewpershad Feb 2015 #63
Little Sure Shot of the 21st Century.... nt MADem Feb 2015 #79
There's always some idiot who just can't seem to keep a gun locked away from children. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #2
Pablum Sniper TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #3
My thought exactly. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #4
This^^^^^ ybbor Feb 2015 #27
The only thing that stops a baby with a gun is a grown-up with a gun thesquanderer Feb 2015 #5
There was a two year old in the room too. onehandle Feb 2015 #6
The moment it emerges? THAT'S TOO LATE! Thav Feb 2015 #11
Awww, fer Chrissakes, she was just a lookout. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #49
There is NO excuse, but Alb police have killed so many duhneece Feb 2015 #7
I'm going with the obvious - kiva Feb 2015 #77
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Feb 2015 #8
All of the above! mountain grammy Feb 2015 #12
Agree with you on just about everything, but SCUBA equipment requires a certification... Thor_MN Feb 2015 #13
Yea..I'm sure states differ... Sancho Feb 2015 #58
That's pretty much the Australian model too Eureka Feb 2015 #69
they need to be charged w neglect. mopinko Feb 2015 #9
No mainstreetonce Feb 2015 #35
i'm just being practical. mopinko Feb 2015 #37
Thar problem is mainstreetonce Feb 2015 #40
An accident? Matrosov Feb 2015 #10
Would the toddler not recieve all sorts of entitlements if the parents were gone? Thor_MN Feb 2015 #15
There needs to be a new category of Darwin Award: Hoppy Feb 2015 #14
American Sniper WilliamPitt Feb 2015 #16
Oboy! A twofer! NBachers Feb 2015 #17
Kid's got talent! candelista Feb 2015 #29
A real sharpshooter! Quasimodem Feb 2015 #70
wait two toddlers and a loaded gun?? #ParentsOfTheYear!!! Heather MC Feb 2015 #18
I think this kid needs to get points for marksmanship. SheilaT Feb 2015 #19
More importantly, is the iPod safe? Orrex Feb 2015 #20
+1 lunasun Feb 2015 #59
Damn, he could have rid the world of two morons if he'd had a better shot. nt valerief Feb 2015 #21
wow Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #33
Irony BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #73
Gun nuts are gathering in Albuquerque even now - this child is the chosen one. Schema Thing Feb 2015 #22
"Local media reports say police believe Saturday’s shooting was accident." Fla Dem Feb 2015 #23
Oh the patriotic duty libodem Feb 2015 #24
Good thing they had a gun to keep their family safe! tabasco Feb 2015 #25
So the couple had a 3 yr. old, a 2 yr. old and were 8 months pregnant, AND Divernan Feb 2015 #26
Yeah, that gun really protected them, didn't it? nt valerief Feb 2015 #28
Your empathy for the poor is truly underwhelming. Divernan Feb 2015 #31
Your empathy for guns is frightening. nt valerief Feb 2015 #48
I'm no fan of guns, but you are way out of line here. DRoseDARs Feb 2015 #60
I appreciate your rational response. Divernan Feb 2015 #71
Yes, the only way to protect your family is to let your kids shoot you. nt valerief Feb 2015 #72
"this family faces ACTUAL dangers to their lives" jberryhill Feb 2015 #80
Maybe I'm just really sleepy but crim son Feb 2015 #81
I was replying to the bullshit above jberryhill Feb 2015 #84
What good is a loaded gun in a purse anyway? LibDemAlways Feb 2015 #30
I remember a scene from a move; greiner3 Feb 2015 #32
LOL! More guns! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #34
proper hangun safety Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #36
That sure looks good on paper TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #38
See you found this OP Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #43
Gun safety should be taught in schools.... TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #39
age appropriate gun safety should be taught Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #42
Please do not try to tell me what I want and don't want to happen TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #47
OK, fair enough. So are you for that or not? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #50
Yes, preferably at no expense to taxpayers TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #54
I hope you think the same for Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #55
So we should not teach kids the dangers of guns? hack89 Feb 2015 #44
Who said we shouldn't? TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #46
The NRA has the best gun safety programs in the country hack89 Feb 2015 #51
it always amazes me Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #53
NRA already has the courses Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #52
One shot, two hits. Aristus Feb 2015 #41
Two-for one! In your fucking face, Chris Kyle! Iggo Feb 2015 #45
NRA is right guillaumeb Feb 2015 #56
The newscast was his own heroic action play by play to attend to his girlfriend not endangering lunasun Feb 2015 #57
I said I wanted Peanut Butter Crunch not Crunch Berries........... Monk06 Feb 2015 #61
I'm curious about why 2 little kids and another on the way are living in a motel room Vinca Feb 2015 #62
food for thought sweetapogee Feb 2015 #64
We get sidetracked? Damn right, we do... TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #66
keep a clear eye sweetapogee Feb 2015 #68
American Toddler - the next blockbuster from Clint Eastwood. Kaleva Feb 2015 #65
What was going on that placed Daddy's butt and Mommy's shoulder in alignment? --nt Kennah Feb 2015 #67
i was just wondering the same thing orleans Feb 2015 #74
I would guess father standing, mother sitting a bit farther across the room, and the gun petronius Feb 2015 #75
You're no fun. Kaleva Feb 2015 #82
Both kids are on hold at CYF Warpy Feb 2015 #76
Indeed, this was a sad story even before the gunshot :( arcane1 Feb 2015 #78
I know about that particular motel Warpy Feb 2015 #83
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