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In reply to the discussion: Russian lesbians stage selfie kiss plane protest (in front of architect of Russia’s anti-gay laws) [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)7. Do you know Homosexual activity is NOT illegal in Russia???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia
Thus kissing by lesbians is legal in Russia.
AS to equal rights, Woman's rights are limited in Russia:
On the UN's "Gender Inequality Index" for 2014 Russia is the 57th least inequitable country. The Index has some problems. For example in 2014 the US was the fourth least inequitable country, but in 2013 it was the 47th least inequitable country but there was no major change between the two years. Thus it is a "bad" index, but it is the best we have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index
My point is homosexual activity in Russia is not subject to any laws, other people are also NOT subject to. They have no protection against discrimination, but in reality neither do women.
As to racial discrimination, 80% of Russians are of the Russian ethnic group, followed by Tartars at 3.9% of the population (concentrated in the Caucasus) and Ukrainians at 1.74%. Under former Soviet Rules if your parents were of two different nationalities, you had to pick one when you turned 18, most opt to be Russian for as a Russian you could go further then if you were another nationality. Thus a lot of "Ethnic" Russians are of mixed descent but the prejudice for RUSSIANS still exists (and it is more prejudice FOR other Russians then prejudice against other ethnic groups).
I bring this up for much of what you hear out of Russia are people protesting against this pro Russian and pro-Moscow pro-Orthodox church, prejudice then against out right prejudice against people. Thus homosexuality is NOT illegal, but it is also "disfavored" and people who are NOT homosexuals are favored over homosexuals.
Yes, Homosexuals are attacked in Russia, but they are also attacked in the US, In both countries there is no policy to support such attacks (and such attacks are illegal in BOTH COUNTRIES). You have American Politicians attacking Homosexuals, but no one is saying they are setting policy. In Russia it is the same, politicians are attacking homosexuals but those same politicians are NOT setting policy.
The rules that have been passed in Russia deal with teenages and homosexuality. Russia has adopted a policy that "recruiting" teens are homosexuals is a crime. Once adults those laws no longer apply. The US has similar laws as to sex with young teens, the Catholic Church is paying a lot of money for violations of those laws. In the US the tendency is to handle such "Recruitments" as civil damages to the teen (thus the lawsuits against the Catholic Church), while in Russia Civil Lawsuits are considered inadequate and thus Criminal laws were passed (and in the US, some Catholic Priests were convicted under similar laws when it came to having sex with 12 to 14 years old males).
Lets understand the law that is being protested, right now Homosexuality is NOT criminal in Russia and has not been since 1993 (and that is BEFORE the US Supreme Court ruled such laws violated the US Constitution, thus Russia beat the US in abolishing such laws). What is "Recruitment" can be a catch all and thus why it is being protested, but what these two women did was NOT illegal in Russia.
Although same-sex sexual activity between consenting adults in private was decriminalized in 1993,[1] same-sex couples and households headed by same-sex couples are ineligible for the legal protections available to opposite-sex couples and there are currently no laws prohibiting discrimination regarding sexual orientation. Transsexuals are allowed to change their legal gender following sex reassignment surgery, however, there are currently no laws prohibiting discrimination regarding gender identity or expression and recent laws have been referred to as discriminatory against transsexual residents.
Thus kissing by lesbians is legal in Russia.
AS to equal rights, Woman's rights are limited in Russia:
Most of the nominal state benefit programs for women continued into the post-Soviet era. However, as in the Soviet era, Russian women in the 1990s predominated in economic sectors where pay is low, and they continued to receive less pay than men for comparable positions. In 1995 men in health care earned an average of 50 percent more than women in that field, and male engineers received an average of 40 percent more than their female colleagues. Despite that, on average, women were better educated than men, women remained in the minority in senior management positions. In the later Soviet era, women's wages averaged 70 percent of men's; by 1995 the figure was 40 percent, according to the Moscow-based Center for Gender Studies. According to a 1996 report, 87 percent of employed urban Russians earning less than 100,000 rubles a month were women, and the percentage of women decreased consistently in the higher wage categories.
According to reports, women generally are the first to be fired, and they face other forms of on-the-job discrimination as well. Struggling companies often fire women to avoid paying child care benefits or granting maternity leave, as the law still requires. In 1995 women constituted an estimated 70 percent of Russia's unemployed, and as much as 90 percent in some areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Russia#The_Rights_and_Expectations_of_Women
According to reports, women generally are the first to be fired, and they face other forms of on-the-job discrimination as well. Struggling companies often fire women to avoid paying child care benefits or granting maternity leave, as the law still requires. In 1995 women constituted an estimated 70 percent of Russia's unemployed, and as much as 90 percent in some areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Russia#The_Rights_and_Expectations_of_Women
On the UN's "Gender Inequality Index" for 2014 Russia is the 57th least inequitable country. The Index has some problems. For example in 2014 the US was the fourth least inequitable country, but in 2013 it was the 47th least inequitable country but there was no major change between the two years. Thus it is a "bad" index, but it is the best we have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index
My point is homosexual activity in Russia is not subject to any laws, other people are also NOT subject to. They have no protection against discrimination, but in reality neither do women.
As to racial discrimination, 80% of Russians are of the Russian ethnic group, followed by Tartars at 3.9% of the population (concentrated in the Caucasus) and Ukrainians at 1.74%. Under former Soviet Rules if your parents were of two different nationalities, you had to pick one when you turned 18, most opt to be Russian for as a Russian you could go further then if you were another nationality. Thus a lot of "Ethnic" Russians are of mixed descent but the prejudice for RUSSIANS still exists (and it is more prejudice FOR other Russians then prejudice against other ethnic groups).
I bring this up for much of what you hear out of Russia are people protesting against this pro Russian and pro-Moscow pro-Orthodox church, prejudice then against out right prejudice against people. Thus homosexuality is NOT illegal, but it is also "disfavored" and people who are NOT homosexuals are favored over homosexuals.
Yes, Homosexuals are attacked in Russia, but they are also attacked in the US, In both countries there is no policy to support such attacks (and such attacks are illegal in BOTH COUNTRIES). You have American Politicians attacking Homosexuals, but no one is saying they are setting policy. In Russia it is the same, politicians are attacking homosexuals but those same politicians are NOT setting policy.
The rules that have been passed in Russia deal with teenages and homosexuality. Russia has adopted a policy that "recruiting" teens are homosexuals is a crime. Once adults those laws no longer apply. The US has similar laws as to sex with young teens, the Catholic Church is paying a lot of money for violations of those laws. In the US the tendency is to handle such "Recruitments" as civil damages to the teen (thus the lawsuits against the Catholic Church), while in Russia Civil Lawsuits are considered inadequate and thus Criminal laws were passed (and in the US, some Catholic Priests were convicted under similar laws when it came to having sex with 12 to 14 years old males).
Lets understand the law that is being protested, right now Homosexuality is NOT criminal in Russia and has not been since 1993 (and that is BEFORE the US Supreme Court ruled such laws violated the US Constitution, thus Russia beat the US in abolishing such laws). What is "Recruitment" can be a catch all and thus why it is being protested, but what these two women did was NOT illegal in Russia.
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Russian lesbians stage selfie kiss plane protest (in front of architect of Russia’s anti-gay laws) [View all]
Turborama
Feb 2015
OP
Yes, because you deliberately leave out what the law actually means and does in practice. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#27
wow. Stunning defense of homophobic laws that have helped a wave of terror against gays
uhnope
Feb 2015
#37
You beat me to it. That posters assertion, which is verbatim from Moscow and RT is misleading and
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#16
You recited the official line from Moscow and RT word for word. Brava. Too bad its not true.
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#12