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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. It's really sad. So many hopes dashed there. Now for a reality check and some relief - hopefully the
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 01:57 AM
Feb 2015

government of Venezuela will stop enabling the OIL oilgarchs to get away with what they've been doing. A lot like this thread:

Krugman on Putin: defending a kleptocracy, not the downtrodden masses


Putin’s thrashing, his evident decision to reject advice from economists who tell him anything he doesn’t want to hear, feel very familiar to me and I’m sure many others who’ve followed Latin America over the decades. Basically, it sounds a lot like good old-fashioned economic populism.

There is, however, one interesting difference. The stories Dornbusch and Edwards analyzed, the issues of Latin America today, involved governments that really were trying to help the poor and workers with low wages. That is, they really were populist regimes, even if they didn’t end up serving the interests of their constituency. But nobody would call the Putin regime populist; he’s rejecting economics as we know it to defend a kleptocracy, not the downtrodden masses.

Have there been comparable examples? I’m sure there must have been, but I can’t think of them. Malaysia’s imposition of capital controls in 1998 was in part about rescuing its version of oligarchs, but it was actually a reasonable policy given the circumstances, and worked OK. And otherwise I’m coming up blank.

So Putin seems to have brought something new, or at least formerly rare, into the world of economic policy: economic cronyism, an effort to suspend the laws on economics on behalf, not of the broad populace, but a tiny group of well connected malefactors of great wealth. Innovation!


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/macroeconomic-cronyism/?_r=0

to pampango:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026178084

Lot more at the blog linked. It's as if he read your post that day on what is going in Venezuela. The ideology has been for the masses, the wealth is still going to the top with government complicity. We've been naive about what these leaders are doing.

I'm sure you have read the link about how Putin's net worth is now $40B. Not bad, but being PM or President doesn't pay that well. It's from selling Russians out along with some blatant gangsterism.

Yet he's being sold to the left as one of them. You can't really separate the words from the deeds. The old myths and dreams die hard, this is a time when we are going to learn an awful lot about how the world is really run, not as we want.



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I hate you, I hate you, save me, save me!!!!! MADem Feb 2015 #1
Things are getting: freshwest Feb 2015 #8
When even Chavez's economic guru calls him an idiot, he's on thin ice... MADem Feb 2015 #10
It's really sad. So many hopes dashed there. Now for a reality check and some relief - hopefully the freshwest Feb 2015 #15
'Krugman is dead to me'. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #18
Just came back from a thread where a poster claims there's no proof minorities like gays are freshwest Feb 2015 #25
Lots of newbies about, and coincidence or not, they seem to be Putin boosters. Rah! Rah! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #26
I loved that one. Of course when they get here, it's all "I'm an 'Murican! More 'Murican than you." freshwest Feb 2015 #29
"It's as if they're being watched, huh?" Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #59
There's one on Discussionist who posts NOTHING but pro-russia OPs EVERY day 7962 Feb 2015 #34
Discussionist? Is that how they're finding their way in here? And I'm not so sure it "wouldn't be Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #58
I can think of 3 people who constantly are pro Putin/Maduro/anything anti-Israel 7962 Feb 2015 #64
Makes you wonder if this TOS has any real meaning at this point? Are we all Discussionist now? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #66
They have a LAW for that? hughee99 Feb 2015 #43
It's a recent change to the law written by Chavez that enshrined the right to protest MADem Feb 2015 #47
The US funding for destabilizing socialism in Venezuela really works. fasttense Feb 2015 #51
Of course, it couldn't POSSIBLY christx30 Feb 2015 #52
Oh yeah, some capatilist not being able to sell or buy electronics will topple a government fasttense Feb 2015 #60
Electronics for one. christx30 Feb 2015 #61
you know what else topples a government? fasttense Feb 2015 #65
Poverty rates in Peru and Colombia are lower than in Venezuela which is at one-third and growing Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #67
So show us the evidence that this is what's happening. GGJohn Feb 2015 #69
No condoms either. n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #68
Many South American countries are doing very well. MADem Feb 2015 #62
Yes, it's beyond the typical left-right, capitalism-socialism thing. Some refuse to believe that freshwest Feb 2015 #70
And yours is one of the best posts in this thread, because it has that thing I love--NUANCE! MADem Feb 2015 #71
There is good and bad in all of us. A great Russian author wrote: freshwest Feb 2015 #73
He's running scared. Perhaps he senses God-given COLGATE4 Feb 2015 #2
I'd like to see God-given hair given a chance. I love that nickname. Any pictures of said mane? freshwest Feb 2015 #9
It's actually not a nickname but rather is the COLGATE4 Feb 2015 #39
Oh, thanks, but I was hoping for something like this: freshwest Feb 2015 #40
The actual guy is a bit thin up top! MADem Feb 2015 #72
Oh, that takes away my pleasant illusion. freshwest Feb 2015 #74
Maduro's government is destabilizing itself through incompetence. It would be nice for the US Monk06 Feb 2015 #3
+1 Adrahil Feb 2015 #33
Maduro is a hoot. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #4
You say "loan", but the reality christx30 Feb 2015 #5
True. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #7
Hugo's economic advisor called him a laughingstock. I think Hugo didn't make that pick. MADem Feb 2015 #12
Did he trade the last of their oil futures to China for the most recent $20bn? herding cats Feb 2015 #11
I'm sure he wishes it was only 50%. christx30 Feb 2015 #13
I didn't realize it was that high. herding cats Feb 2015 #14
And people aren't willing to give them christx30 Feb 2015 #16
And, it's not as if one can forclose on a subprime loan on country. herding cats Feb 2015 #19
Agreed. christx30 Feb 2015 #21
The rhetoric toward America is just because it resonates in the region. herding cats Feb 2015 #30
The U.S. Delves its bad reputation in the region.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #35
"Oil price slump weakens Venezuela's economy and government" Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #22
96% of their revenue is based on oil! herding cats Feb 2015 #27
"Yet it's America's fault prices are down on the global market?" It's a real head scratcher, Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #28
It's foolish, but I've heard weirder claims. herding cats Feb 2015 #32
VZ was living large on oil revenues back when prices were $100+/bbl Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #75
+1. I can't believe a modern day petro economy hasn't diversified beyond 4%. I feel sorry for.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #76
Boy, you said it all!! "until they need something". 7962 Feb 2015 #36
That mediator has his work cut out for him. herding cats Feb 2015 #6
Why? Aren't we Satan's spawn? Filthy Imperialists? etc. etc. etc.? I guess it doesn't have the..... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #17
Is your photo authentic? It came from a survivalists' blog. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #20
Go to Google & take your pick. They all say the same thing. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #23
Bloomberg News: The $755 Condom Pack Is the Latest Indignity in Venezuela Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #24
Not very liberal, progressive or socialist, huh? freshwest Feb 2015 #31
"shopping" for chicken and flour Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #38
I saw this on the teevee at WalMart on Black Friday... Scary stuff! freshwest Feb 2015 #42
you did? Where was that WalMart? Did you see this one? Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #44
All crowds at shopping centers look like WalMart to me. Especially if they're running. Stampede! freshwest Feb 2015 #48
Sorry too, I didn't notice it was you until after I already responded and caught the sarcasm n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #50
You only see that kind of behavior perhaps only once a year, during Black Friday Marksman_91 Feb 2015 #53
Looks like a 5K fun run to me... And some nice countryside there. freshwest Feb 2015 #41
Here are some more Hunger Games for ya Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #45
Not into Hunger Games. That doesn't look funny even with the narrator cheering... freshwest Feb 2015 #49
Yep, and if you finish at the top 20% of the pack snooper2 Feb 2015 #46
He's lost without Cuba. joshcryer Feb 2015 #37
Oh, such glee over Venezuela's misery. Like it's game. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #54
I don't have glee over what's going on down there. christx30 Feb 2015 #56
Their misery is all self-inflicted. COLGATE4 Feb 2015 #57
It's not glee... Adrahil Feb 2015 #63
Maduro seeks mediation with the voices in his head. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #55
If they are asking for mediation that must mean we are getting ready to invade and occupy them. kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #77
Sure, why not Bradical79 Feb 2015 #78
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