Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

mahatmakanejeeves

(68,428 posts)
31. I had to think about this a while too. Here's what I came up with:
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:50 AM
Feb 2015

Before the advent of computer-controlled anti-lock brake systems (and that "computer-controlled" part is an important distinction), automotive brakes were pretty much all mechanical in their operation. When you stepped on the brake pedal, a piston in the brake system's master cylinder (in the engine compartment, directly in front of the driver) moved forward in the master cylinder. As it did, brake fluid was pressurized. The increase in pressure was transmitted through the brake lines to brake components at the individual wheels. If the wheels were slowed by drum brakes, the increased brake fluid pressure caused pistons in tiny wheel cylinders to move apart and press against brake shoes. If the wheels were slowed by disc brakes, the increased brake fluid pressure caused a piston to move within a cylinder in a brake caliper. Brake pads were squeezed against a brake rotor.

So far, it's all mechanical. There were mechanical anti-lock systems in the 70s. Some Lincoln Continentals of the era had anti-lock brakes, but the method by which the anti-lock feature came into play was a mechanical one involving weight transfer. I'll add more later.

ETA: I might be wrong on the method of actuation for the Lincoln. Wikipedia says that the '71 Imperial's system was computer-controlled. (I'll bet that was fun to work on.) The Continental's anti-lock brake system worked on the rear wheels only, which has me thinking that it was weight transfer that caused the feature to actuate. Wikipedia is not clear on that, but you can be sure that many car forums will be buzzing about this in the next few days.

Anti-lock braking system


Anti-lock systems that are computer controlled work differently. Speed sensors on each wheel note a difference in the wheels' rpm. If such a difference is detected during braking, the computer interprets a wheel that is rotating more slowly than another as one that is skidding. The computer overrides the brake pressure to the wheel that is rotating more slowly (or not at all) and reduces pressure in that wheel's brakes. When the errant wheel starts rotating at the same rate as the other wheels, the computer senses that its work is done. This cycle happens many times per second, as need be.

That's the problem. If you can persuade the computer that all the wheels are skidding, the computer will reduce brake pressure to all the wheels. They all keep turning, even though you are trying to stomp the brake pedal to the floor.

That's just my guess.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Report Sees Weak Security in Cars’ Wireless Systems bananas Feb 2015 #1
Senator: Your futuristic car is putting your privacy and security at risk bananas Feb 2015 #2
why are brake systems, etc. connected to a network? Enrique Feb 2015 #3
Modern cars automatically brake when approaching a resting(?) obstacle at high speed. DetlefK Feb 2015 #7
Unfortunately you have to switch it on jakeXT Feb 2015 #9
your 3rd sentence is what I don't get Enrique Feb 2015 #32
It's connected indirectly. DetlefK Feb 2015 #35
And it can all be switched on remotely if turned off by the owner. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #37
Michael Hastings Murdered? billhicks76 Feb 2015 #10
My first thought as well... Cooley Hurd Feb 2015 #14
Jeez, sure a lot of paranoids around. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #20
That's the thing about paranoia... Cooley Hurd Feb 2015 #27
It's Usually Just An Analytical Mind billhicks76 Feb 2015 #40
Unlikely, but even if so, don't need a wireless connection. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #19
They're doing it with nuclear reactor control systems, too. bananas Feb 2015 #12
The ODN bus is used for everything now. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #18
thanks,but that seems all done local to the car Enrique Feb 2015 #33
Abuse of related wireless systems. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #38
I had to think about this a while too. Here's what I came up with: mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 #31
"Override the brakes, Siri." mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 #54
Car hacked on 60 Minutes bananas Feb 2015 #4
Hope no one in government or with evil intent and political power or ambition is abusing this. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #24
Of course they are! They use Wi-Fi. Duh! Why does anyone need that in their car? Or TV? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5
Because the security system is integrated to ODN and Telematics. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #21
True. And now they want to use wireless to unlock your castle's front door..how convenient is that? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #22
In this case, I think Aldous Huxley would be the clear winner. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #23
"Technology promised me a space station for Christmas and all I got was this lousy Face book." Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #26
Looks like my pre-computer car might have some re-sale value after all. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2015 #25
But also standard with the standard WiFi is more standard collision air bags, so it evens up. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #28
This issue is why I'm trying to keep mine going too. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #45
Sounds like Richard Clark's statements on Hastings death jakeXT Feb 2015 #6
If covert intelligence agencies can find a new way to kill folks they will find and use that way. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #29
yikes! marym625 Feb 2015 #8
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #11
This is why I won't have a car with WiFi in it. bemildred Feb 2015 #13
Solution? Maynar Feb 2015 #15
Just need a car with no WIFi. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #30
other nasty ramifications? Martak Sarno Feb 2015 #16
bananas Diclotican Feb 2015 #17
Watch yourself, 93.5% of Americans buy cars with Automatics transmissions.... happyslug Feb 2015 #41
happyslug Diclotican Feb 2015 #43
I have owned ONE automatic in my life happyslug Feb 2015 #46
happyslug Diclotican Feb 2015 #47
I drove Reo-Diamond M35s, the GMCs were either WWII Surplus or M135s. happyslug Feb 2015 #48
happyslug Diclotican Feb 2015 #49
My unit had "Multi-Fuel" M35s happyslug Feb 2015 #51
happyslug Diclotican Feb 2015 #52
This makes me appreciate my Oldsmobile a bit more. Throd Feb 2015 #34
First thought...What do you do for a living? I hack cars. Huh? libdem4life Feb 2015 #36
DOT has put these things all up and down every major roadway here in Dallas. What do they do??? blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #39
Toll Road RFID Tags mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 #42
That is why I buy a car with a Manual Transmission happyslug Feb 2015 #44
Me: 20 year old truck, 25 year old TV, flip-phone IDemo Feb 2015 #50
i like more 'n more my dumb car, dumb phone, dumb tv... NuttyFluffers Feb 2015 #53
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Report: Cars are vulnerab...»Reply #31