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Fred Sanders

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14. I am not going to attempt to change it then, but can it be explained?

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:09 AM

Feb 2015

How does Russia signing a peace accord, regarding a bordering nation, play into the evil that is Russia...that is the MIC con game, isn't it?

The demonization of personalities is.......Machevellian.

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RAF jets intercept Russian bomber aircraft off Cornwall (UK) [View all] Turborama Feb 2015 OP

Turnabout is fair play Demeter Feb 2015 #1

It is the media forwarding government war talk and creating tension..it is what they do to control thought. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #3

What makes you Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #35

"Ukraine conflict: UK joins Nato exercise in Poland"--BBC KoKo Feb 2015 #48

I'm curious Fred.... do you have any criticism for the Russians.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #70

Cameron "and his minions" in Europe want to stir up fear for political gain, so does Putin. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #71

Thanks for the reply. n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #76

when have we done that lately Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #15

we do that every day, and have since the 50s. olddad56 Feb 2015 #50

Proof, no we do not Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #56

The Navy still flies these missions, I would have to believe that the AF does also. olddad56 Feb 2015 #78

I guess Russia is just very quiet about this Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #79

The Navy doesn't fly nuclear capable bombers along Russia's coastline, GGJohn Feb 2015 #83

The US Navy turns off their transponders and interferes with Russian aviation right on their border? EX500rider Feb 2015 #94

Ummm, no we don't. GGJohn Feb 2015 #74

Yes, they are breaking rules... Number9Dream Feb 2015 #42

Well, it is the latest in an ongoing string of incidents Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #72

The interception of the Bears comes a fortnight after similar aircraft flew into the English Channel Cha Feb 2015 #2

I have to say I am surprised by your opinions regarding Russia. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5

Backatcha Fred. Cha Feb 2015 #8

When exactly did Russia become a mortal enemy again and the Cold War start anew? Sabre rattling Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #11

We differ.. you're not going to change how I feel about Putin and I'm not interested in changing Cha Feb 2015 #13

I am not going to attempt to change it then, but can it be explained? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #14

Because Russia ignored their Ukrainian agreement and invaded anyway 7962 Feb 2015 #16

Senator Inhofe has some allies I see. Anything to start a war....interesting. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #19

well if Russia had not invaded Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #27

Fred is uninterested in actual dialogue Android3.14 Feb 2015 #47

Did you like the 'evidence' of Senator Inhofe? That does not bother you? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #49

Wow, those pretty pictures add SO MUCH to your argument. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2015 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #73

clearly, you have no clue what you are talking about ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2015 #89

And then Fred posts unrelated material Android3.14 Feb 2015 #63

The Obama admin and UN reports confirm that Russia has sent tanks, and has shelled Ukr. positions NickB79 Feb 2015 #90

When exactly did mole hills become mountains? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #91

The unprovoked invasion of a foreign nation and thousands dead is a mole hill to you? NickB79 Feb 2015 #92

All strawmen are interesting and easily knocked down. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #93

For me, it began when Russia violated the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #39

That Agreement only addresses the use of weapons AGAINST the Ukraine happyslug Feb 2015 #57

It also assures territorial integrity. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #64

OK, here's a LOT of proof for you. How can you say Russia isnt using weapons against Ukraine?? 7962 Feb 2015 #80

Was it when they attacked Georgia in 2008? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #43

Didn't Georgia attack first? happyslug Feb 2015 #53

The problem was South Ossetia is part of Georgia, not Russia (nt) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #54

The people of South Osseia think otherwise and have been de facto independent since 1992. happyslug Feb 2015 #59

No, nothing like Vancouver Island; the internationally recognised border muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #61

A lot of people are channelling a well known Republican... MattSh Feb 2015 #26

They should just completely ignore them n2doc Feb 2015 #4

What? Why would Russia do that? Really? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #7

I'm not saying that they would n2doc Feb 2015 #10

It has been going on for 50 years like this..it is what huge bored militaries do. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #12

Exactly, much ado about nothing. NATO probably does it at a 10 to 1 ratio. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #40

Which is no doubt duly reported as a great fright in those countries as well. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #41

Oh, no doubt. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2015 #58

We scramble fighters to escort because the bombers have their transponders off. jeff47 Feb 2015 #66

So would the USA.... MattSh Feb 2015 #28

Matsh please cite your source I am not aware of such irisblue Feb 2015 #33

For the millionth time: Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #38

The best I can do... MattSh Feb 2015 #69

So you dont believe Russian troops are fighting & dying in Ukraine? 7962 Feb 2015 #81

America has a military presence or actual bases in 133 countries and spies on them all. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #36

Marine Le Pen tends to echo your positions.... Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #37

Better yet: issue statement saying that the pilots' requests for asylum were denied. Orsino Feb 2015 #62

Oh, THAT would be a good one. 7962 Feb 2015 #82

This is a return to "Cold War" tactics TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #6

You are playing into the media fear factory...do you not remember 2003 at all? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #9

Fred, Cha is correct. Nitram Feb 2015 #17

Why are you a MIC apologist? Why not question the propaganda? On Russia and Putin only, the media Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #18

Is it propaganda that Russia has sent bombers on a path towards the UK? Nitram Feb 2015 #20

Check your history on how often such stuff happens. Or not, and stick with your error. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #22

Exactly, you have to fall back on "history" to find an example. Nitram Feb 2015 #31

Good grief.....you do know which party is not a fan of history? Again, that would explain the fright. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #32

Fred fools fewer and fewer on DU with every passing day. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #34

Actually, it's really not about sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #51

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Bottom line, Russia is playing a very dangerous game. CanonRay Feb 2015 #21

Are you scared? Then mission accomplished for the UK con government. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #23

Did I say I was scared? CanonRay Feb 2015 #24

Ditto. Very scary "bad ending", no? Terrifying! Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #25

Now I understand why we have an Ignore List. Dasvidaniya! CanonRay Feb 2015 #29

I am honored. I have honored 17 on my list. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #30

I imagine many people, lacking a substantive and objective premise... LanternWaste Feb 2015 #44

Agreed. Some half-wits will never get informed enough to form a rational position. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #46

What's that passing over your head? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #68

Would it be this? GGJohn Feb 2015 #84

russia has had enough 'practice' with all their new military gear in Ukraine. Sunlei Feb 2015 #45

"Poland Asks Nato to Station 10,000 Troops On its Territory for Permanent Deployment" KoKo Feb 2015 #55

The Brits should have sent up Sophwith Camels to deal with prop bombers JPZenger Feb 2015 #60

Those contra-rotating propellers are wicked cool and just the ticket for long range flights Brother Buzz Feb 2015 #65

The props are for range. jeff47 Feb 2015 #67

Russian bomber flew inland over Cornwall, witness claims Bosonic Feb 2015 #75

Hmmm, that puts a new light on it. Turborama Feb 2015 #85

Worn out cold war crap. nt ladjf Feb 2015 #77

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planesandstuff: Bear Hunting mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 #88