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In reply to the discussion: RAF jets intercept Russian bomber aircraft off Cornwall (UK) [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,750 posts)61. No, nothing like Vancouver Island; the internationally recognised border
is that it's part of Georgia.
South Ossetia, Russian Yuzhnaya Osetiya, autonomous republic in Georgia that declared independence in 2008. Only a few countriesmost notably Russia, which maintains a military presence in South Ossetiarecognize its independence. South Ossetia occupies the southern slopes of the Greater Caucasus mountains. The region is populated largely (about two-thirds) by Ossetes, a Caucasian people speaking an eastern Iranian language. (Many Ossetes also live in the neighbouring republic of North OssetiaAlania in Russia, which occupies the northern slopes of the Greater Caucasus.) Most of the remaining inhabitants of South Ossetia are Georgians. Its capital is Tskhinvali. Pop. (1989) 98,500; (2005 est.) 49,200.
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In the late 1980s a separatist movement emerged in South Ossetia that sought secession from Georgia and unification with North OssetiaAlania. In 1989 Soviet troops were sent to maintain peace. Shortly after Georgia gained its independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, heavy fighting broke out between Ossetian and Georgian forces, forcing thousands to flee South Ossetia. In 1992 Russia helped broker a cease-firethe terms of which called for peacekeeping forces from Georgia, Russia, North OssetiaAlania, and South Ossetiabut the breakaway regions status remained unresolved. In 1993 South Ossetia approved a constitution that established the region as a republic. Although not internationally recognized, it elected a president in 1996. Subsequent negotiations failed to end the conflict, and periodic fighting continued into the early 21st century.
Although South Ossetia emphasized its desire for independence in an unofficial referendum in late 2006, such status was unrecognized by the international community, and the territory remained legally part of Georgia. Hostilities between South Ossetia and Georgiaand, more broadly, between Georgia and Russiaescalated rapidly in August 2008, when Georgian troops engaged with local separatist fighters, as well as with Russian forces that had crossed the border there with the stated intent to defend Russian citizens and peacekeeping troops already in the region. In the days that followed, Russian forces took control of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital, and fighting continued to spread to other parts of the countryincluding Abkhazia, a second separatist region, located along the Black Sea coast in northwestern Georgia. Georgia and Russia signed a French-brokered cease-fire that called for the withdrawal of Russian forces, but tensions continued. Russias subsequent recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia was condemned by Georgia and met with criticism from other members of the international community.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/556319/South-Ossetia
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In the late 1980s a separatist movement emerged in South Ossetia that sought secession from Georgia and unification with North OssetiaAlania. In 1989 Soviet troops were sent to maintain peace. Shortly after Georgia gained its independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, heavy fighting broke out between Ossetian and Georgian forces, forcing thousands to flee South Ossetia. In 1992 Russia helped broker a cease-firethe terms of which called for peacekeeping forces from Georgia, Russia, North OssetiaAlania, and South Ossetiabut the breakaway regions status remained unresolved. In 1993 South Ossetia approved a constitution that established the region as a republic. Although not internationally recognized, it elected a president in 1996. Subsequent negotiations failed to end the conflict, and periodic fighting continued into the early 21st century.
Although South Ossetia emphasized its desire for independence in an unofficial referendum in late 2006, such status was unrecognized by the international community, and the territory remained legally part of Georgia. Hostilities between South Ossetia and Georgiaand, more broadly, between Georgia and Russiaescalated rapidly in August 2008, when Georgian troops engaged with local separatist fighters, as well as with Russian forces that had crossed the border there with the stated intent to defend Russian citizens and peacekeeping troops already in the region. In the days that followed, Russian forces took control of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital, and fighting continued to spread to other parts of the countryincluding Abkhazia, a second separatist region, located along the Black Sea coast in northwestern Georgia. Georgia and Russia signed a French-brokered cease-fire that called for the withdrawal of Russian forces, but tensions continued. Russias subsequent recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia was condemned by Georgia and met with criticism from other members of the international community.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/556319/South-Ossetia
It might be the simplest thing for Georgia to say "OK, Russia successfully invaded South Ossetia, the people that are left would be happier in Russia, Putin can have it", but that doesn't mean that when Russia sent its troops into South Ossetia and attacked Georgian troops, it was OK. This sub-thread was about when western suspicions of Russia resurfaced, and a major answer to that is "when it attacked the sovereign territory of another country".
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It is the media forwarding government war talk and creating tension..it is what they do to control thought.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#3
Cameron "and his minions" in Europe want to stir up fear for political gain, so does Putin.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#71
The Navy still flies these missions, I would have to believe that the AF does also.
olddad56
Feb 2015
#78
The US Navy turns off their transponders and interferes with Russian aviation right on their border?
EX500rider
Feb 2015
#94
The interception of the Bears comes a fortnight after similar aircraft flew into the English Channel
Cha
Feb 2015
#2
When exactly did Russia become a mortal enemy again and the Cold War start anew? Sabre rattling
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#11
We differ.. you're not going to change how I feel about Putin and I'm not interested in changing
Cha
Feb 2015
#13
Senator Inhofe has some allies I see. Anything to start a war....interesting.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#19
The Obama admin and UN reports confirm that Russia has sent tanks, and has shelled Ukr. positions
NickB79
Feb 2015
#90
The unprovoked invasion of a foreign nation and thousands dead is a mole hill to you?
NickB79
Feb 2015
#92
OK, here's a LOT of proof for you. How can you say Russia isnt using weapons against Ukraine??
7962
Feb 2015
#80
The people of South Osseia think otherwise and have been de facto independent since 1992.
happyslug
Feb 2015
#59
No, nothing like Vancouver Island; the internationally recognised border
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#61
It has been going on for 50 years like this..it is what huge bored militaries do.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#12
Exactly, much ado about nothing. NATO probably does it at a 10 to 1 ratio.
A Simple Game
Feb 2015
#40
Which is no doubt duly reported as a great fright in those countries as well.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#41
America has a military presence or actual bases in 133 countries and spies on them all.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#36
Better yet: issue statement saying that the pilots' requests for asylum were denied.
Orsino
Feb 2015
#62
You are playing into the media fear factory...do you not remember 2003 at all?
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#9
Why are you a MIC apologist? Why not question the propaganda? On Russia and Putin only, the media
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#18
Check your history on how often such stuff happens. Or not, and stick with your error.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#22
Good grief.....you do know which party is not a fan of history? Again, that would explain the fright.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#32
Agreed. Some half-wits will never get informed enough to form a rational position.
Fred Sanders
Feb 2015
#46
"Poland Asks Nato to Station 10,000 Troops On its Territory for Permanent Deployment"
KoKo
Feb 2015
#55
Those contra-rotating propellers are wicked cool and just the ticket for long range flights
Brother Buzz
Feb 2015
#65