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Hissyspit

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13. Sure, make fun of this, but no civilians on board, unlike the Iranians we blew to smithereens
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 07:36 AM
Feb 2015

in 1988. I still remember the cheers of the U.S. crew, before they realized that they had fucked up, when they shot down the Iranian civilian airliner with 66 children on board. Of course, they shouldn't have been cheering regardless.

Then the U.S. government refused to apologize (although they did make compensation through the international courts).

As pathetic as this spectacle is, they apparently didn't kill anyone.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air civilian passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai. On 3 July 1988, the aircraft operating this route was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes. The incident took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from Vincennes.

All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died.[1] This event ranks eighth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, 11th if including the 9/11 attacks, which include ground casualties; the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf. The cruiser Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[2][3]

According to the Iranian government, Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft: the airliner was making IFF squawks in Mode III (not Mode II used by Iranian military planes), a signal that identified it as a civilian craft (although all military aircraft IFF transponders are capable of generating Mode III replies as well).[4][5]

According to the United States government, the crew incorrectly identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14A Tomcat fighter, a plane made in the United States and operated at that time by only two forces worldwide, the United States Navy and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. While the Iranian F-14s had been supplied by manufacturer Grumman in an air-to-air configuration only in the 1970s,[6][7] the crew of Vincennes had been briefed when entering the region that the Iranian F-14s had an iron bomb capability as well as Maverick missile and unguided rockets for air-to-surface.[8] The 53 page Pentagon report issued almost two months after the incident, while not directly stating the point, found that almost all of the immediate details given of the shooting-down were erroneous, yet absolved the officers and crew.[9]

According to Noam Chomsky and others,[9][10] compared to the reaction generated by the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in 2014, the incident triggered little reaction from Western mainstream media at the time.[11] The event generated a great deal of criticism of the United States amongst those who were able to learn of it. Some analysts blamed the captain of Vincennes, who had entered Iran's waters, for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.[12][13]



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/16/the-forgotten-story-of-iran-air-flight-655/

WorldViews
The forgotten story of Iran Air Flight 655

By Max Fisher October 16, 2013


If you walked into any high school classroom in the United States and asked the students to describe their country's relationship with Iran, you'd probably hear words like "enemy" and "threat," maybe "distrust" and "nuclear." But ask them what the number 655 has to do with it, and you'd be met with silence.

Try the same thing in an Iranian classroom, asking about the United States, and you'd probably hear some of the same words. Mention the number 655, though, it's a safe bet that at least a few of the students would immediately know what you were talking about.

The number, 655, is a flight number: Iran Air 655. If you've never heard of it, you're far from alone. But you should know the story if you want to better understand why the United States and Iran so badly distrust one another and why it will be so difficult to strike a nuclear deal, as they're attempting to do at a summit in Switzerland this week.

The story of Iran Air 655 begins, like so much of the U.S.-Iran struggle, with the 1979 Islamic revolution. When Iraq invaded Iran the following year, the United States supported Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein against the two countries' mutual Iranian enemy. The war dragged on for eight awful years, claiming perhaps a million lives.

Toward the end of the war, on July 3, 1988, a U.S. Navy ship called the Vincennes was exchanging fire with small Iranian ships in the Persian Gulf. The U.S. Navy kept ships there, and still does, to protect oil trade routes. As the American and Iranian ships skirmished, Iran Air Flight 655 took off from nearby Bandar Abbas International Airport, bound for Dubai. The airport was used by both civilian and military aircraft. The Vincennes mistook the lumbering Airbus A300 civilian airliner for a much smaller and faster F-14 fighter jet, perhaps in the heat of battle or perhaps because the flight allegedly did not identify itself. It fired two surface-to-air missiles, killing all 290 passengers and crew members on board.

The horrible incident brought Tehran closer to ending the war, but its effects have lingered much longer than that. "The shoot-down of Iran Air flight 655 was an accident, but that is not how it was seen in Tehran," former CIA analyst and current Brookings scholar Kenneth Pollack wrote in his 2004 history of U.S.-Iran enmity, "The Persian Puzzle." "The Iranian government assumed that the attack had been purposeful. ... Tehran convinced itself that Washington was trying to signal that the United States had decided to openly enter the war on Iraq's side."

That belief, along with Iraq's increased use of chemical weapons against Iran, led Tehran to accept a United Nations cease-fire two months later. But it also helped cement a view in Iran, still common among hard-liners in the government, that the United States is absolutely committed to the destruction of the Islamic Republic and will stop at almost nothing to accomplish this. It is, as Time's Michael Crowley points out in an important piece, one of several reasons that Iran has a hard time believing it can trust the United States to ever stop short of its complete destruction.
Well, that cleaned out the plywood budget... Archae Feb 2015 #1
Gentlemen, we cannot allow a plywood gap jberryhill Feb 2015 #5
LOL. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #26
Here ya go: winstars Feb 2015 #34
they didn't have enough for the models of the other ships that are in a carrier battle group either Baclava Feb 2015 #14
Military officials could be heard shouting "praise the lord" each time the replica was hit. bananas Feb 2015 #2
Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution bananas Feb 2015 #3
Missed opportunity for the Seabees to sneak in the night before and install a real CIWS AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #9
If only all wars... ReRe Feb 2015 #4
Shades of Lieutenant General Van Riper and Millennium Challenge 2002 Brother Buzz Feb 2015 #6
Should I be frightened? Change has come Feb 2015 #7
Only if you're a plywood facade JHB Feb 2015 #10
To paraphrase Bruce Lee Richard D Feb 2015 #8
Poor plywood penndragon69 Feb 2015 #11
We expect them to die. stone space Feb 2015 #28
Take out a carrier, be lucky if you're not nuked Telcontar Feb 2015 #44
Taken out by a carrier. stone space Feb 2015 #47
What a sad, uninformed post Telcontar Feb 2015 #50
Is it a difficult question? stone space Feb 2015 #51
My opinion is nuclear weapons dont equate with genocide Telcontar Feb 2015 #53
And we did it in Japan. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #54
We did? When? Do the history books know about this? Telcontar Feb 2015 #55
The "shock photos" show which direction the actual violence has gone in. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #60
If so, then a few pics are missing Telcontar Feb 2015 #65
When did Iran strike against the U.S.? JackRiddler Feb 2015 #68
1978 Telcontar Feb 2015 #71
Looks like their own version of 50 Shades of Gray BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #12
Sure, make fun of this, but no civilians on board, unlike the Iranians we blew to smithereens Hissyspit Feb 2015 #13
None of which has anything to do with THIS story. 7962 Feb 2015 #16
The reason for the Iranians' hatred for USA is nowhere to be found in this story, either. Octafish Feb 2015 #18
So democracy is what they have now? 7962 Feb 2015 #49
Great point. ''Compared to the current regime, the SAVAK was the Salvation Army.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #56
We could learn a bit from that. We dont encourage people to go into the trades anymore 7962 Feb 2015 #58
Historical context is always relevant. nt bananas Feb 2015 #32
A Navy ship captain fucked up. Adrahil Feb 2015 #19
I didn't say that that was a reason to celebrate. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #37
It's not an "attack" of any kind. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #62
Also, "a Navy ship captain fucked up" explains nothing. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #63
needs work to achieve production values of "amurican sniper" dembotoz Feb 2015 #15
Yep. hunter Feb 2015 #25
Absolutely! ronnie624 Feb 2015 #31
We are the Empire Telcontar Feb 2015 #45
My post didn't indicate ronnie624 Feb 2015 #59
Pointless propaganda. blackspade Feb 2015 #17
LOL @t anyone who takes the Iranian military seriously GOLGO 13 Feb 2015 #20
Those 12 speedboats wouldn't get very close before being blown to paradise. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2015 #24
The Persian Gulf is tiny, boats can get close enough by justing be in the Gulf happyslug Feb 2015 #39
they are working on it - 'Navy Moves More Patrol Craft to 5th Fleet' Baclava Feb 2015 #42
Thanks, slug, that was very infomative! Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2015 #46
I'm sure the Iranian people laughed their asses off, too tabasco Feb 2015 #57
Nobody gets close to an aircraft carrier in modern warfare. damyank913 Mar 2015 #72
Thus the carriers stay out of the gulf happyslug Mar 2015 #74
I do remember this. It was called Millennium something or other. damyank913 Mar 2015 #76
I consider it a good thing that they don't start wars cpwm17 Feb 2015 #52
Many US citizens, in their propaganda induced ignorance, ronnie624 Feb 2015 #61
Moving tanks into position. marble falls Feb 2015 #21
Are we sure the Iranian Government didn't tell their people it was real? davidpdx Feb 2015 #22
Good question! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #27
That should impress Turbineguy Feb 2015 #23
Some phony shock and awe, for the rubes daleo Feb 2015 #29
As a repeated victim of a powerful, brutal empire from across the world, ronnie624 Feb 2015 #30
If the plan is to attack the US Navy... damyank913 Feb 2015 #33
Our country produces some truly fearsome weapons ronnie624 Feb 2015 #38
Those would be the smartest Iranian sailors in their entire fleet. GOLGO 13 Feb 2015 #66
It was movie set for the film Airbus, starring Val Kilmer and Oliver Stone's son. Seriously. Xithras Feb 2015 #35
+1 KoKo Feb 2015 #40
if the intent of posting this is to scare us, recall that Iran's military budget is about the same yurbud Feb 2015 #36
I wouldn't laugh too hard just yet. Does anyone remember this US naval exercise? GliderGuider Feb 2015 #41
I remember it, not the details, but I used it above in my post 39, but I did NOT name the exercise. happyslug Feb 2015 #67
+1000 ***This Is A Must Read*** Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #70
An Allahwood production seveneyes Feb 2015 #43
It was called "The Interview" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #48
All this tells me is the Iranians haven't discovered the magic of CGI Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #64
Lol, they used mortars on speedboats. Calista241 Feb 2015 #69
Now that was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. stevenleser Mar 2015 #73
All that firepower did not seem to stop the USS Cole from being attacked. former9thward Mar 2015 #75
Because a rowboat with a motor was not seen as a threat. The motor torpedo boats used stevenleser Mar 2015 #77
Always an excuse. former9thward Mar 2015 #78
So are they saying each of our next vehicles should be electric? ffr Mar 2015 #79
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