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11. Non-military ammo is actually deadlier

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:36 AM

Feb 2015

Last edited Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Because it is not governed by the Geneva Conventions on War. That is why police don't use military rounds.

The issue is police bullet proof vests. They only wear vest that stop pistol rounds. Any rifle bullet can penetrate them.

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Move to Ban a Bullet Adds to Its Appeal [View all] SecularMotion Feb 2015 OP

Fortunately there are plenty of alternatives hack89 Feb 2015 #1

one down... mwrguy Feb 2015 #2

They didnt ban .223, just trying to ban one specific bullet Travis_0004 Feb 2015 #3

I know that. mwrguy Feb 2015 #18

The key is what is an Armor Piecing bullets under US Law. happyslug Feb 2015 #20

Kinda stupid, I agree. Adrahil Feb 2015 #52

"The key wording is "may be used in a handgun"." beevul Feb 2015 #85

IMO, our firearms laws are antiquated and silly.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #104

On what grounds? M193 is not armor piercing. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #21

It is not down. former9thward Feb 2015 #23

Great idea. Just wish I could live long enough to see it randys1 Feb 2015 #51

Why do people need armour-piercing bullets for self-defense? DetlefK Feb 2015 #4

Indeed. Exhibit A Feb 2015 #5

But what if they were attacked by a robot? Kevin from WI Feb 2015 #22

Some criminals wear ballistic vests while committing their crime Blandocyte Feb 2015 #45

In that case, ANY center fire cartridge will do. Adrahil Mar 2015 #102

99% of ALL rifle calibers invented since 1894 will penetrate Lurks Often Feb 2015 #10

So very true! n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #55

Yep. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2015 #84

Yep. Even Great-grandpa's 100-yr old .30-30 Winchester would penetrate Kevlar NickB79 Feb 2015 #92

Yep Munificence Mar 2015 #107

Non-military ammo is actually deadlier hack89 Feb 2015 #11

They are used to hunt. former9thward Feb 2015 #24

Not in my state.... happyslug Feb 2015 #30

ANY modern center fire rifle bullet will penetrate soft body armor. Adrahil Feb 2015 #54

Not a fan of guns, but: MosheFeingold Feb 2015 #73

it's for aggressive and pre-emptive self-defense atop post offices and bell towers. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #81

Any rifle cartridge will Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #103

If you want to make something popular try to ban it. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2015 #6

Will not happen Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #7

And Congress will say NO and that will be that, except everyone will know valerief Feb 2015 #8

What a weird country we are Bagsgroove Feb 2015 #9

It is, in these respects it's a very weird country. I guess it's innate primordial fear that drives RKP5637 Feb 2015 #12

I don't think bullets should be banned notadmblnd Feb 2015 #13

they are taxed Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #14

I said tax the HELL out of them notadmblnd Feb 2015 #15

What you are proposing is unconstitutional. hack89 Feb 2015 #16

Then by your reasoning... philosslayer Feb 2015 #25

Absolutely not. hack89 Feb 2015 #26

How so? Cigarettes carry exorbitant taxes and no one has questioned the constitutionality of it? notadmblnd Feb 2015 #27

Because smoking cigarettes is not a right specifically mentioned in the Constitution hack89 Feb 2015 #28

The 2nd amendment does give one the right to own weapons notadmblnd Feb 2015 #31

Here is a court case that says the 2A covers ammunition. hack89 Feb 2015 #36

LoL lancer78 Feb 2015 #29

yeah, so? notadmblnd Feb 2015 #33

Smoking kills 15 times as many people annually as bullets hack89 Feb 2015 #32

You didn't answer my question. How is taxing bullets unconstitutional? notadmblnd Feb 2015 #34

Because "arms" includes ammunition hack89 Feb 2015 #37

Taxing ammunition exorbantly would not render your arms useless notadmblnd Feb 2015 #38

I know disarming poor people and minorities is a dream of some hack89 Feb 2015 #40

Lots of poor people still smoke. notadmblnd Feb 2015 #41

I take it you didn't read the court case I sent to you? hack89 Feb 2015 #42

no, there is nothing in my inbox notadmblnd Feb 2015 #43

It is a post in this thread. hack89 Feb 2015 #44

nothing in there I saw about taxing bullets. notadmblnd Feb 2015 #46

You can tax bullets. Never disagreed with you about that hack89 Feb 2015 #47

Taxing them would not restrict their availability. notadmblnd Feb 2015 #48

What is the stated goal of your tax? hack89 Feb 2015 #49

And still you haven't shown me that law notadmblnd Feb 2015 #61

Cigarette tax money goes into the states general revenue funds hack89 Feb 2015 #65

I do believe medicaid $$ come from a State's general fund along with some funding from the Fed Gov notadmblnd Feb 2015 #69

Think for a second why poll taxes are illegal and it will all make sense. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #66

re-read post 61 notadmblnd Feb 2015 #67

Except that cigarette taxes are not used to mitigate the harms of smoking hack89 Feb 2015 #68

perhaps not directly, and yes, the tax on bullets could very well be set aside to defray costs notadmblnd Feb 2015 #71

So bullets are taxed right now at 11% to support environmental projects. hack89 Feb 2015 #74

Somewhere in this thread, a poster said they could get 1000 rounds for 88 dollars notadmblnd Feb 2015 #76

Why? So the manufacturer can make bigger profits? hack89 Feb 2015 #78

That's like saying we need a huge tax on cars.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #100

Show me a state that does not use cigarette taxes as a means to reduce the numbers of people smoking hack89 Feb 2015 #70

no, it's an added benefit notadmblnd Feb 2015 #72

So all you would have to do is calibrate your tax rate so there was no such "added benefit" hack89 Feb 2015 #75

a conservative judge might. notadmblnd Feb 2015 #77

Strict judicial scrutiny. The rock on which gun control founders time and time again. hack89 Feb 2015 #79

So putting a $1000 tax on an abortion would be ok? hack89 Feb 2015 #50

Good to know that I'm right and you have no valid argument left notadmblnd Feb 2015 #53

We are talking about using taxes to limit Constitutional rights. hack89 Feb 2015 #57

No, you are. notadmblnd Feb 2015 #62

The SCotUS has LONG maintained.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #58

see post # 61 notadmblnd Feb 2015 #63

Charging the 100 million plus that aren't murdering anyone... beevul Feb 2015 #86

suicide via smoking is no different, it just takes longer. notadmblnd Feb 2015 #90

Thats not a refutation of what I said. N/T beevul Feb 2015 #91

Every cigarette smoker smoker produces harmful second-hand smoke.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #97

Wouldn't exorbinant taxes on ammo lancer78 Mar 2015 #94

How is not having enough money to buy bullets Politicalboi Feb 2015 #59

Using taxes to specifically restrict the exercise of a constitutional right is illegal hack89 Feb 2015 #64

Try it out on another amendment... Oktober Mar 2015 #96

How is not having enough money to pay a poll tax Adrahil Mar 2015 #98

Actually, making cartridges so expensive that no one can afford to practice.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #56

how much is the retail cost these days per round? Sunlei Feb 2015 #17

Pretty silly, I can buy FMJ regular copper bullets for 1/2 the price. ileus Feb 2015 #19

Some folks want M855.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #60

The Army HATES the.M855 Telcontar Feb 2015 #87

Do you have a link to an article on this? I would love to send this to some rightwing politicians greatlaurel Mar 2015 #105

I dont know of any articles in public domain Telcontar Mar 2015 #106

at first I thought this said Mullet snooper2 Feb 2015 #35

This stuff will get republicans elected in 2016. Purveyor Feb 2015 #39

The gunners will just stock up more than usual, they never know how many people they need to shoot. Hoyt Feb 2015 #80

I'll just keep buying the cheap walmart 100 round boxes of winchester. ileus Feb 2015 #82

Ironically, M855 is the LEAST lethal of the 5.56mm rounds available. US servicemen HATE it NickB79 Feb 2015 #83

So more lead ammo will have to be sold to make up the shortfall madville Feb 2015 #88

I need to come up with some cheap gun thing that i could mark way up and then send out the word dembotoz Feb 2015 #89

We have a winner! It is really is just marketing to get people to buy outdated junk ammo. greatlaurel Mar 2015 #95

You may be kidding... Adrahil Mar 2015 #99

For fun, I went to Sportsman's Guide in West St. Paul, MN, today to see how the gun nuts were doing NickB79 Feb 2015 #93

A fool and his money..... Adrahil Mar 2015 #101