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Tarheel_Dem

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77. The American people agree. They were initially split about even in 2013, and it only went down...

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:09 AM

Mar 2015

from there. And it certainly can't help that he's sitting in the lap of one of the most hated men on the planet. It's like the more awards he picked up, the more his numbers tanked. The administration really has no reason to "make a deal" with him.

(CBSNews.com) - National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden leaked informationabout the secret program that collected the phone and internet records of people in the U.S. and abroad - and his actions are not well-received by the public

Most Americans - 61 percent - think Snowden should have to stand trial in the United States for his actions. Far fewer - 23 percent - think he should be granted amnesty. Republicans, Democrats, and independents all agree on this as well.

Meanwhile, 31 percent approve of Snowden's actions, while most, 54 percent, disapprove. Majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and independents disapprove.

When asked to come up with a word that describes Edward Snowden, nearly a quarter volunteer either traitor or a similar word that questions his loyalty to his country, while 8 percent say he is "brave" or "courageous" or "a hero". Just 2 percent volunteered that he is a patriot or patriotic, and another 2 percent say "terrorist".

http://archive.wtsp.com/news/national/article/353851/81/Poll-Most-think-Edward-Snowden-should-stand-trial-in-US

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Snowden says U.S. not offering fair trial if he returns [View all] Demeter Mar 2015 OP

I wonder what his required terms are. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #1

He has no terms. There's no one 'negotiating' with him. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #18

probably the only fair melm00se Mar 2015 #101

He wants a jury trial. /nt think Mar 2015 #126

Real civil disobedience means facing the jail time if you believe in your cause uhnope Mar 2015 #112

Between the torture of Manning and the ruined lives of Kiriakou, Drake and Binney riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #115

+1 Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #118

"ruined lives"? uhnope Mar 2015 #139

Manning was tortured. Sorry but diminishing her ordeal is crap riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #140

I don't diminish her ordeal. Now you can deal with what I wrote uhnope Mar 2015 #141

Snowden is continuing his work of being an intelligence analyst riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #153

your opinion is noted though it doesn't take all the facts into account uhnope Mar 2015 #155

Robin Williams looked happy too, until he killed himself. riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #156

Yes RUINED lives. cui bono Mar 2015 #161

But they "look" happy... riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #162

Why he even bothered to negotiate is beyond me. former9thward Mar 2015 #2

+1 RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #3

Nonsense - that is more likely in Russia! karynnj Mar 2015 #6

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #8

"deary" "under-educated" -- karynnj Mar 2015 #13

What makes YOUR opinion a fact? Demeter Mar 2015 #14

I have written many things that are facts and many things that are opinion karynnj Mar 2015 #16

"The fact is that Snowden does not want a fair trial,..." cui bono Mar 2015 #21

no link needed --- various people in government - up to the President karynnj Mar 2015 #60

Yes, a link/source is absolutely needed if you want to back up what you claim to be a "fact". cui bono Mar 2015 #67

You had no link on the idea that he was concerned he would be disappeared karynnj Mar 2015 #100

And many others, including the ACLU disagree with that riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #110

Where did I say that? Was it ever stated that it was a "fact"? cui bono Mar 2015 #120

Stop being supercilious - I know what a fact is karynnj Mar 2015 #129

Okay, so you admit that what you presented as fact before was mere speculation cui bono Mar 2015 #133

By your estimation karynnj Mar 2015 #134

The only thing I'm discussing with you is your stating your assumptions as fact. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #136

Because you can't refute the fact that he did indeed break the law - something a fair trial would karynnj Mar 2015 #138

Hahaha... I'm "making no sense"??? cui bono Mar 2015 #150

The American people agree. They were initially split about even in 2013, and it only went down... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #77

"The fact is that what he wants is NOT a fair trial, but a guarantee that he will not be punished." cui bono Mar 2015 #10

Exactly. No link offered. I personally believe Snowden is entitled to whistleblower protection peacebird Mar 2015 #25

Yes, plenty of whistleblowers who went through the "proper channels" as so many on DU cui bono Mar 2015 #30

Ruined? See post #139 et al uhnope Mar 2015 #147

Yes ruined. I don't know where post #139 is, but I do know that lives were ruined. cui bono Mar 2015 #149

oh, Greenwald would never lie about anything, would he. lol. uhnope Mar 2015 #154

Now you're ridiculing *Robert* Greenwald? I hope you misread that and are not ridiculing anyone who cui bono Mar 2015 #160

What is sad is that he has been made to be the bigger story than what he revealed. Dustlawyer Mar 2015 #58

well said! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #70

Yeah. Notice that those who staunchly insist that his crimes be punished ignore the GoneFishin Mar 2015 #106

Absolutely. Let's talk about massive Illegal Spying by Gov't Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #119

Reasonable supposition of what he really wants treestar Mar 2015 #88

I'm not against supposition and speculation, but I am against someone saying something is a fact cui bono Mar 2015 #121

Then he could face the trial treestar Mar 2015 #122

Because we all know what happens to whistleblowers, especially under this admin. cui bono Mar 2015 #123

My feelings also leftynyc Mar 2015 #79

Exactly. It is CT territory for sure. treestar Mar 2015 #87

+1 Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #81

That's so ridiculous. treestar Mar 2015 #86

Well he is certainly no Betrayus. Autumn Mar 2015 #4

He's right. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #5

Neither would I. 840high Mar 2015 #56

He has to negotiate a fair trial. zeemike Mar 2015 #7

My take on what was said was not that he himself would commit suicide. cui bono Mar 2015 #12

Mine too. RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #15

I so agree - BetsysGhost Mar 2015 #78

And that is how I meant it. zeemike Mar 2015 #64

tell us more about people being "suicided" for political reasons in the US uhnope Mar 2015 #159

tell us more about this CT of people being "suicided" for political reasons in the US uhnope Mar 2015 #158

What aspect of a fair trial won't he get? treestar Mar 2015 #89

Well I am sorry but I don't have a pollyanna view of things. zeemike Mar 2015 #94

It' not pollyanna viewing to see things as not entirely black all the time either treestar Mar 2015 #95

It's very simple, treestar: "It's unconstitutional!!!" That's all you really need to know. randome Mar 2015 #104

Well you ask a lot of questions that deserve an answer. zeemike Mar 2015 #107

While I agree it would probably be next to impossible to get jury cstanleytech Mar 2015 #9

"I've been working exhaustively with the government now since I left" JDDavis Mar 2015 #23

Either you really don't know what whistle-blowing means, or you don't like rhett o rick Mar 2015 #38

What they really don't know is the history of what happens to whistleblowers who go through cui bono Mar 2015 #125

Those that hate whistle-blowers and those that dare speak truth to power live rhett o rick Mar 2015 #130

You people are so tiresome with your proper channels Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #54

I see you arrived here Sept of last year! elias49 Mar 2015 #59

From Perry Fellwock, the NSA's first whistleblower rpannier Mar 2015 #62

Rethinking Snowden's Position Perry Fellwock Oct 2015 #166

Rethinking Snowden's Position Perry Fellwock Oct 2015 #167

You can easily find out why he didn't go through "LEGAL channels" if you google past whisteblowers' cui bono Mar 2015 #124

What's unfair about a jury of his peers? Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #11

They'll find him guilty. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #19

You thikn that's the only thing that makes up a fair trial? cui bono Mar 2015 #22

Isn't he really trying to negotiate more lenient treatment hack89 Mar 2015 #24

Is he? Link? n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #26

No one really knows who he talked to or about hack89 Mar 2015 #29

No, I can't tell you. Just as you can't tell me. You are speculating though, and making it sound as cui bono Mar 2015 #32

Of course it is speculation hack89 Mar 2015 #37

Then why did you word it as if it were something we all know to be true? cui bono Mar 2015 #40

You are trying too hard to be outraged hack89 Mar 2015 #43

I'm not outraged at all. I just call it for what it is. You presented something as fact by the way cui bono Mar 2015 #45

That is what he wants and has not been offered /nt think Mar 2015 #127

Why do you say that? hack89 Mar 2015 #135

From what I read on The Guardian he faces charges under the Espionage Act. think Mar 2015 #142

The first Espionage Act trial in 30 year involved a jury hack89 Mar 2015 #143

I stand corrected. Looks like there were other cases as well. Sorry for getting that wrong /nt think Mar 2015 #144

No big deal. nt hack89 Mar 2015 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author Adrahil Mar 2015 #163

Sounds like Comrade Snowden needs to,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #17

What is this "Comrade" Snowden stuff? candelista Mar 2015 #31

+1 cui bono Mar 2015 #34

It's an authoritarian problem. Authoritarians need to blindly believe in their leaders. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #51

yep! thank you. n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #72

+ a zillion. n/t NRaleighLiberal Oct 2015 #168

Thanks for the zillion, but how did this come up after 6 months? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #169

got kicked - didn't even look at the date! NRaleighLiberal Oct 2015 #170

_+10 840high Mar 2015 #57

Most do not share your opinions....... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #84

1955 called, and they want their sidewall haircuts back from Cryptoad. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #96

"Terms of the trial" hack89 Mar 2015 #20

What happened to whistleblower protection? n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #36

He is not a whistleblower in the eyes of the law hack89 Mar 2015 #41

Would you have gone through "proper channels" under an admin who has prosecuted more whisteblowers cui bono Mar 2015 #44

Then I guess he needs to stay in Russia hack89 Mar 2015 #46

or President Sanders... wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #73

I doubt those three would pardon him or negotiate a sentence before a trial cstanleytech Mar 2015 #80

If President Warren is anything like Senator Warren, she'd be very pro-national defense. MADem Mar 2015 #152

The law is an ass Demeter Mar 2015 #47

Perhaps. hack89 Mar 2015 #48

WE help Snowden! Demeter Mar 2015 #49

I have no intention of helping Snowden hack89 Mar 2015 #50

Republicans scream 'Constitution!' at everything, too. randome Mar 2015 #102

Why do you hate whistle-blowers? Do they shake your confidence in the authoritarian rhett o rick Mar 2015 #75

I don't hate whistleblowers. hack89 Mar 2015 #83

Can't the eyes of the law just "look forward?" OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #97

Not sure why other than it involves government officials hack89 Mar 2015 #99

Even if so,e disclosures would be protected by whistle blower protections.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #65

There will be no admissible evidence elias49 Mar 2015 #61

He has admitted he gave stolen secret documents away hack89 Mar 2015 #63

The courts will not consider the moral motivations of his actions. candelista Mar 2015 #27

Let alone the legality of such an unConstitutional setup as the NSA Demeter Mar 2015 #35

Sounds like he wants to dictate the charges ripcord Mar 2015 #28

Under-estimated value aikanae Mar 2015 #33

"Alleged" crime, if you please Demeter Mar 2015 #39

And if POTUS hadn't ramped up whisteblower prosecutions as he has cui bono Mar 2015 #42

Mr. Snowden revealed some perfectly legal foreign intelligence operations. Adrahil Mar 2015 #66

It's not a "disconnect" between D.C. and mainstream America. Maedhros Mar 2015 #52

Thanks for this post and welcome to DU! Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #90

Is it too late for him to give the leaked details to a secret lover? KansDem Mar 2015 #53

Agreed. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #69

Maybe he can trade his Oscar for a pack of cigarettes while serving his time? itsrobert Mar 2015 #55

What Oscar? cui bono Mar 2015 #68

Who is a whistleblower? itsrobert Mar 2015 #74

There are no fair trials...... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #71

+1. nt candelista Mar 2015 #108

lol...yeah not even one fair trial in the evil USA, is there? uhnope Mar 2015 #116

I'll bet the US doesn't want him back because the publicity would be out of their control. Kablooie Mar 2015 #76

Edward Snowden is a hero, a courageous and deeply moral man Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #82

+1000 DeSwiss Mar 2015 #131

Of course there is treestar Mar 2015 #85

Anything that could exonerate him will be declared secret and inadmissible Taitertots Mar 2015 #91

Enjoy Russia, Comrade alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #92

Spiteful aren't you? elias49 Mar 2015 #93

+1 nt candelista Mar 2015 #109

I would stop asking if I was him. Wait for a revolution or MAJOR change in political landscape yurbud Mar 2015 #98

And it's coming too, baby! DeSwiss Mar 2015 #132

... uhnope Mar 2015 #148

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #103

Shorter Snowden: "Change the law so I'll be found innocent, or NO DEAL!" Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #105

That is not an accurate summary. candelista Mar 2015 #111

what is an accurate summary? uhnope Mar 2015 #114

The Snowden needs to stop conflating "unfair trial" Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #117

Ah! "Conflate"! Did you learn a new word from Brian Williams? candelista Mar 2015 #164

The same Brian Williams who did that ballwashing Snow-Wald interview? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #165

Real civil disobedience means facing the jail time if you believe in your cause uhnope Mar 2015 #113

Maybe he could get a booking on THE PEOPLE'S COURT... brooklynite Mar 2015 #128

Russian Winters are harsh, I guess MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #137

Seriously? Vermont is way colder. ozone_man Mar 2015 #146

News from the Department of "No Shit" Aerows Mar 2015 #151

update Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #157