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149. Yes ruined. I don't know where post #139 is, but I do know that lives were ruined.

Reply to uhnope (Reply #147)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 03:47 AM

Mar 2015

See Robert Greenwald's documentary or google it. It's well documented that several whistleblowers' lives were ruined.

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Snowden says U.S. not offering fair trial if he returns [View all] Demeter Mar 2015 OP

I wonder what his required terms are. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #1

He has no terms. There's no one 'negotiating' with him. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #18

probably the only fair melm00se Mar 2015 #101

He wants a jury trial. /nt think Mar 2015 #126

Real civil disobedience means facing the jail time if you believe in your cause uhnope Mar 2015 #112

Between the torture of Manning and the ruined lives of Kiriakou, Drake and Binney riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #115

+1 Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #118

"ruined lives"? uhnope Mar 2015 #139

Manning was tortured. Sorry but diminishing her ordeal is crap riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #140

I don't diminish her ordeal. Now you can deal with what I wrote uhnope Mar 2015 #141

Snowden is continuing his work of being an intelligence analyst riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #153

your opinion is noted though it doesn't take all the facts into account uhnope Mar 2015 #155

Robin Williams looked happy too, until he killed himself. riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #156

Yes RUINED lives. cui bono Mar 2015 #161

But they "look" happy... riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #162

Why he even bothered to negotiate is beyond me. former9thward Mar 2015 #2

+1 RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #3

Nonsense - that is more likely in Russia! karynnj Mar 2015 #6

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #8

"deary" "under-educated" -- karynnj Mar 2015 #13

What makes YOUR opinion a fact? Demeter Mar 2015 #14

I have written many things that are facts and many things that are opinion karynnj Mar 2015 #16

"The fact is that Snowden does not want a fair trial,..." cui bono Mar 2015 #21

no link needed --- various people in government - up to the President karynnj Mar 2015 #60

Yes, a link/source is absolutely needed if you want to back up what you claim to be a "fact". cui bono Mar 2015 #67

You had no link on the idea that he was concerned he would be disappeared karynnj Mar 2015 #100

And many others, including the ACLU disagree with that riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #110

Where did I say that? Was it ever stated that it was a "fact"? cui bono Mar 2015 #120

Stop being supercilious - I know what a fact is karynnj Mar 2015 #129

Okay, so you admit that what you presented as fact before was mere speculation cui bono Mar 2015 #133

By your estimation karynnj Mar 2015 #134

The only thing I'm discussing with you is your stating your assumptions as fact. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #136

Because you can't refute the fact that he did indeed break the law - something a fair trial would karynnj Mar 2015 #138

Hahaha... I'm "making no sense"??? cui bono Mar 2015 #150

The American people agree. They were initially split about even in 2013, and it only went down... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #77

"The fact is that what he wants is NOT a fair trial, but a guarantee that he will not be punished." cui bono Mar 2015 #10

Exactly. No link offered. I personally believe Snowden is entitled to whistleblower protection peacebird Mar 2015 #25

Yes, plenty of whistleblowers who went through the "proper channels" as so many on DU cui bono Mar 2015 #30

Ruined? See post #139 et al uhnope Mar 2015 #147

Yes ruined. I don't know where post #139 is, but I do know that lives were ruined. cui bono Mar 2015 #149

oh, Greenwald would never lie about anything, would he. lol. uhnope Mar 2015 #154

Now you're ridiculing *Robert* Greenwald? I hope you misread that and are not ridiculing anyone who cui bono Mar 2015 #160

What is sad is that he has been made to be the bigger story than what he revealed. Dustlawyer Mar 2015 #58

well said! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #70

Yeah. Notice that those who staunchly insist that his crimes be punished ignore the GoneFishin Mar 2015 #106

Absolutely. Let's talk about massive Illegal Spying by Gov't Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #119

Reasonable supposition of what he really wants treestar Mar 2015 #88

I'm not against supposition and speculation, but I am against someone saying something is a fact cui bono Mar 2015 #121

Then he could face the trial treestar Mar 2015 #122

Because we all know what happens to whistleblowers, especially under this admin. cui bono Mar 2015 #123

My feelings also leftynyc Mar 2015 #79

Exactly. It is CT territory for sure. treestar Mar 2015 #87

+1 Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #81

That's so ridiculous. treestar Mar 2015 #86

Well he is certainly no Betrayus. Autumn Mar 2015 #4

He's right. FiveGoodMen Mar 2015 #5

Neither would I. 840high Mar 2015 #56

He has to negotiate a fair trial. zeemike Mar 2015 #7

My take on what was said was not that he himself would commit suicide. cui bono Mar 2015 #12

Mine too. RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #15

I so agree - BetsysGhost Mar 2015 #78

And that is how I meant it. zeemike Mar 2015 #64

tell us more about people being "suicided" for political reasons in the US uhnope Mar 2015 #159

tell us more about this CT of people being "suicided" for political reasons in the US uhnope Mar 2015 #158

What aspect of a fair trial won't he get? treestar Mar 2015 #89

Well I am sorry but I don't have a pollyanna view of things. zeemike Mar 2015 #94

It' not pollyanna viewing to see things as not entirely black all the time either treestar Mar 2015 #95

It's very simple, treestar: "It's unconstitutional!!!" That's all you really need to know. randome Mar 2015 #104

Well you ask a lot of questions that deserve an answer. zeemike Mar 2015 #107

While I agree it would probably be next to impossible to get jury cstanleytech Mar 2015 #9

"I've been working exhaustively with the government now since I left" JDDavis Mar 2015 #23

Either you really don't know what whistle-blowing means, or you don't like rhett o rick Mar 2015 #38

What they really don't know is the history of what happens to whistleblowers who go through cui bono Mar 2015 #125

Those that hate whistle-blowers and those that dare speak truth to power live rhett o rick Mar 2015 #130

You people are so tiresome with your proper channels Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #54

I see you arrived here Sept of last year! elias49 Mar 2015 #59

From Perry Fellwock, the NSA's first whistleblower rpannier Mar 2015 #62

Rethinking Snowden's Position Perry Fellwock Oct 2015 #166

Rethinking Snowden's Position Perry Fellwock Oct 2015 #167

You can easily find out why he didn't go through "LEGAL channels" if you google past whisteblowers' cui bono Mar 2015 #124

What's unfair about a jury of his peers? Nt hack89 Mar 2015 #11

They'll find him guilty. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #19

You thikn that's the only thing that makes up a fair trial? cui bono Mar 2015 #22

Isn't he really trying to negotiate more lenient treatment hack89 Mar 2015 #24

Is he? Link? n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #26

No one really knows who he talked to or about hack89 Mar 2015 #29

No, I can't tell you. Just as you can't tell me. You are speculating though, and making it sound as cui bono Mar 2015 #32

Of course it is speculation hack89 Mar 2015 #37

Then why did you word it as if it were something we all know to be true? cui bono Mar 2015 #40

You are trying too hard to be outraged hack89 Mar 2015 #43

I'm not outraged at all. I just call it for what it is. You presented something as fact by the way cui bono Mar 2015 #45

That is what he wants and has not been offered /nt think Mar 2015 #127

Why do you say that? hack89 Mar 2015 #135

From what I read on The Guardian he faces charges under the Espionage Act. think Mar 2015 #142

The first Espionage Act trial in 30 year involved a jury hack89 Mar 2015 #143

I stand corrected. Looks like there were other cases as well. Sorry for getting that wrong /nt think Mar 2015 #144

No big deal. nt hack89 Mar 2015 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author Adrahil Mar 2015 #163

Sounds like Comrade Snowden needs to,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #17

What is this "Comrade" Snowden stuff? candelista Mar 2015 #31

+1 cui bono Mar 2015 #34

It's an authoritarian problem. Authoritarians need to blindly believe in their leaders. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #51

yep! thank you. n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #72

+ a zillion. n/t NRaleighLiberal Oct 2015 #168

Thanks for the zillion, but how did this come up after 6 months? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #169

got kicked - didn't even look at the date! NRaleighLiberal Oct 2015 #170

_+10 840high Mar 2015 #57

Most do not share your opinions....... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #84

1955 called, and they want their sidewall haircuts back from Cryptoad. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2015 #96

"Terms of the trial" hack89 Mar 2015 #20

What happened to whistleblower protection? n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #36

He is not a whistleblower in the eyes of the law hack89 Mar 2015 #41

Would you have gone through "proper channels" under an admin who has prosecuted more whisteblowers cui bono Mar 2015 #44

Then I guess he needs to stay in Russia hack89 Mar 2015 #46

or President Sanders... wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #73

I doubt those three would pardon him or negotiate a sentence before a trial cstanleytech Mar 2015 #80

If President Warren is anything like Senator Warren, she'd be very pro-national defense. MADem Mar 2015 #152

The law is an ass Demeter Mar 2015 #47

Perhaps. hack89 Mar 2015 #48

WE help Snowden! Demeter Mar 2015 #49

I have no intention of helping Snowden hack89 Mar 2015 #50

Republicans scream 'Constitution!' at everything, too. randome Mar 2015 #102

Why do you hate whistle-blowers? Do they shake your confidence in the authoritarian rhett o rick Mar 2015 #75

I don't hate whistleblowers. hack89 Mar 2015 #83

Can't the eyes of the law just "look forward?" OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #97

Not sure why other than it involves government officials hack89 Mar 2015 #99

Even if so,e disclosures would be protected by whistle blower protections.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #65

There will be no admissible evidence elias49 Mar 2015 #61

He has admitted he gave stolen secret documents away hack89 Mar 2015 #63

The courts will not consider the moral motivations of his actions. candelista Mar 2015 #27

Let alone the legality of such an unConstitutional setup as the NSA Demeter Mar 2015 #35

Sounds like he wants to dictate the charges ripcord Mar 2015 #28

Under-estimated value aikanae Mar 2015 #33

"Alleged" crime, if you please Demeter Mar 2015 #39

And if POTUS hadn't ramped up whisteblower prosecutions as he has cui bono Mar 2015 #42

Mr. Snowden revealed some perfectly legal foreign intelligence operations. Adrahil Mar 2015 #66

It's not a "disconnect" between D.C. and mainstream America. Maedhros Mar 2015 #52

Thanks for this post and welcome to DU! Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #90

Is it too late for him to give the leaked details to a secret lover? KansDem Mar 2015 #53

Agreed. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #69

Maybe he can trade his Oscar for a pack of cigarettes while serving his time? itsrobert Mar 2015 #55

What Oscar? cui bono Mar 2015 #68

Who is a whistleblower? itsrobert Mar 2015 #74

There are no fair trials...... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #71

+1. nt candelista Mar 2015 #108

lol...yeah not even one fair trial in the evil USA, is there? uhnope Mar 2015 #116

I'll bet the US doesn't want him back because the publicity would be out of their control. Kablooie Mar 2015 #76

Edward Snowden is a hero, a courageous and deeply moral man Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #82

+1000 DeSwiss Mar 2015 #131

Of course there is treestar Mar 2015 #85

Anything that could exonerate him will be declared secret and inadmissible Taitertots Mar 2015 #91

Enjoy Russia, Comrade alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #92

Spiteful aren't you? elias49 Mar 2015 #93

+1 nt candelista Mar 2015 #109

I would stop asking if I was him. Wait for a revolution or MAJOR change in political landscape yurbud Mar 2015 #98

And it's coming too, baby! DeSwiss Mar 2015 #132

... uhnope Mar 2015 #148

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #103

Shorter Snowden: "Change the law so I'll be found innocent, or NO DEAL!" Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #105

That is not an accurate summary. candelista Mar 2015 #111

what is an accurate summary? uhnope Mar 2015 #114

The Snowden needs to stop conflating "unfair trial" Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #117

Ah! "Conflate"! Did you learn a new word from Brian Williams? candelista Mar 2015 #164

The same Brian Williams who did that ballwashing Snow-Wald interview? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #165

Real civil disobedience means facing the jail time if you believe in your cause uhnope Mar 2015 #113

Maybe he could get a booking on THE PEOPLE'S COURT... brooklynite Mar 2015 #128

Russian Winters are harsh, I guess MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #137

Seriously? Vermont is way colder. ozone_man Mar 2015 #146

News from the Department of "No Shit" Aerows Mar 2015 #151

update Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #157