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45. Not sure why so much in DU

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:31 AM

Mar 2015

descends to sarcasm and hostility, but whatever. Will "Central Valley" do? And I was wrong about the increase in autism rates. It's much, much higher than I stated.

Mounting evidence suggests gestational pesticides exposures are strong candidates for the development of autistic spectrum disorders.[5] In California’s rich Central Valley agricultural region, a 600% increased incidence in autism was observed among children up to 5 years of age for births from 1990 to 2001, yet only one-third of the rise could be explained by identified factors such as changing diagnostic criteria for autism or a younger age at diagnosis [6]

Here are thee studies.
Boyle, C.A., et al., Trends in the prevalence of developmental disabilities in US children, 1997-2008. Pediatrics, 2011. 127(6): p. 1034-42.
5. Shelton, J.F., I. Hertz-Picciotto, and I.N. Pessah, Tipping the balance of autism risk: potential mechanisms linking pesticides and autism. Environ Health Perspect, 2012. 120(7): p. 944-51.
6. Hertz-Picciotto, I. and L. Delwiche, The rise in autism and the role of age at diagnosis. Epidemiology, 2009. 20(1): p. 84-90.

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Autism 'caused by genetics', study suggests [View all] HuckleB Mar 2015 OP

but but the playboy bunny said it's from vaccines Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #1

She did say it with her clothes on, though Major Nikon Mar 2015 #2

READ: 5/2014 JAMA study of 2 million people in Sweden from '82-'06, "The Familial Risk of Autism." proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #59

I'm not sure which is worse Major Nikon Mar 2015 #60

Better? No reason to participate in the sideshow. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #61

Sideshow? You mean like the stupid-shitbaggery vaccines-cause-autism sideshow? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #62

Sideshow, yes, irrelevant to this thread. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #63

Sweet Jebus, you think every single reply is an excuse for you to post anti-vax shitbattery Major Nikon Mar 2015 #64

Sideshow references related to post #63. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #65

"trumped up measles scare" you are one sad/funny persona. Rex Mar 2015 #116

Those are John Stone's words and he's readily accessible. I recommend reading his full comment... proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #117

Hey! Hey! She was Playmate of the Year! Yavin4 Mar 2015 #10

Yes cosmetic surgery can do wonders Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #70

I figured as much. I remember reading a report roguevalley Mar 2015 #39

THIS is funny!!! I guess way back when if you didn't have the sense to run from a saber-toothed tig adigal Mar 2015 #118

it just didn't used to be called autism Skittles Mar 2015 #3

During the Dark Ages and prior, autism probably got you killed so you couldn't breed. Trillo Mar 2015 #17

my brother was diagnosed as "emotionally disturbed" in the 70's Skittles Mar 2015 #24

If it was something that was killed off jamzrockz Mar 2015 #43

I'm reminded of Pottenger's Cats Trillo Mar 2015 #46

I think you're absolutely right on that, Skittles. My brother, now 66, is very much ADHD... Hekate Mar 2015 #23

There was a kid in my neighborhood when I was growing up The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #78

agreed Skittles Mar 2015 #83

I thought... SoapBox Mar 2015 #4

Obama certainly is to blame... for.... JDDavis Mar 2015 #15

I was told it was caused by "Refrigerator Moms." Archae Mar 2015 #5

They blamed Mom for everything that was wrong with a kid in the 50s and 60s Warpy Mar 2015 #27

Indeed, Warpy... so I was looking for recent Menendez/autism news on Google and this popped up. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #66

Here you go: Warpy Mar 2015 #67

Developing... sorry. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #68

You know full well that the story is a non story. HuckleB Mar 2015 #73

That's incorrect. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #75

Please stop promoting anti-vaccine propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2015 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #90

Ridiculous, I don't. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #91

You are pushing anti-vaccine propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2015 #93

No, I want transparency. You want to shut it all down and pretend everything's fine. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #94

And you prove my point again. HuckleB Mar 2015 #95

And now you're using the anti-vaxer, Kelly Brogan. HuckleB Mar 2015 #96

Wrong thread (maybe), wrong comments. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #97

Thanks for proving my point. HuckleB Mar 2015 #98

Why bother to do research when you already know it all? proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #99

More anti-vaccine nonsense. HuckleB Mar 2015 #100

Kicking the thread while trying to (mis)brand me? Here's a secret. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #103

You branded yourself. HuckleB Mar 2015 #111

#2 Correction: Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, UK lack universal Hep B vaccination policy proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #120

When it's good information, crowdsourcing ROCKS! Additional fine-tuning here. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #123

My mom used to joke about it saying "Frigidaire" on her forehead. KamaAina Mar 2015 #76

my best friend has a semi autistic adult daughter who blames her mother for everything dembotoz Mar 2015 #6

Someone should tell her that her mom isn't responsible for her own genes. candelista Mar 2015 #8

So if it's becaming enormously more prevalent Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #7

Is it really becoming more prevalent, murielm99 Mar 2015 #13

Well, there always is that, but Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #14

Yes, we are all "autistic" if we are not... JDDavis Mar 2015 #18

None of those things mean that your relative can't be mildly autistic. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #101

And many of them improperly mis-diagnosed, as the case of my relative who JDDavis Mar 2015 #108

I think a lot of kids are "autistic" because they are not the perfect child of "perfect" parents. LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #20

I think the diagnosis model needs to be refined roguevalley Mar 2015 #40

All fine & dandy Geronimoe Mar 2015 #9

Not in one generation, but the research is still going on JDDavis Mar 2015 #19

But over 80% of US children involved in a multi-vehicle accident have received the TDAP vaccine! struggle4progress Mar 2015 #11

Not buying it Brainstormy Mar 2015 #12

Well, this study is only confirming even more what other studies have shown over time. HuckleB Mar 2015 #16

I think certain conditions have been diagnosed much more often since healthcare became for-profit. n valerief Mar 2015 #25

Maybe now that they're no longer having to waste money refuting Wakefield's bull shit Warpy Mar 2015 #28

I've been thinking along those lines as well, especially after reading how many industrial chemicals Hekate Mar 2015 #35

Looking back, I can ID quite a few people I've known who were high functioning ASD people Warpy Mar 2015 #37

Same here. My whole family was "different," each in our own way. We just see the world ... Hekate Mar 2015 #41

Or maybe after the reaction to Wakefiel jamzrockz Mar 2015 #44

Wakefield was a quack right out of the gate Warpy Mar 2015 #48

"There was money involved." Those four words are all you really need. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #102

I am not sure you want to condemn everyone when money is involved- Dr Gerberding KellyW Mar 2015 #112

What does that have to do with Wakefield cherry-picking (and even falsifying) his research? nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #113

I am just saying that the 4 words "There was money involved." is not all you need to know KellyW Mar 2015 #114

That is the current official story, isn't it, but will it be the historical one? (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #119

WTF is "Northern California's agricultural region"? LeftyMom Mar 2015 #36

It's that area around Tule Lake Retrograde Mar 2015 #38

Not sure why so much in DU Brainstormy Mar 2015 #45

you get sarcasm when you respond to a peer reviewed study with basically, "nah, meh" CreekDog Mar 2015 #55

Ok, where's your study with the causal link between vaccines and autism? CreekDog Mar 2015 #54

I'm skeptical too. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #81

One peer-review study doesn't mean much Brainstormy Mar 2015 #84

I have what used to be called Aspergers Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2015 #21

I did not know it was called murielm99 Mar 2015 #22

According to the DSM-5, it is an "autism spectrum disorder", Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2015 #42

Thank you. bravenak Mar 2015 #26

There are abnormalities being... 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #29

Yep. My oldest son has Asperger's, SheilaT Mar 2015 #30

The headline "Autism 'caused by genetics', study suggests" is not true as stated Bearware Mar 2015 #31

Please don't push fictions at DU. HuckleB Mar 2015 #33

Not fictions at all Bearware Mar 2015 #49

Your links are marketing links. HuckleB Mar 2015 #51

Sometimes a quick glance is not enough and you throw the baby out with the bathwater Bearware Mar 2015 #52

You see, I know what you're pushing already. HuckleB Mar 2015 #53

I am pushing for science - when your consensus doesn't explain reality well it needs to change Bearware Mar 2015 #56

No, you're not. HuckleB Mar 2015 #57

I did not revise the links I deleted them because the posts can stand without them Bearware Mar 2015 #58

Your posts definitely stand as offering the usual pseudoscience. HuckleB Mar 2015 #87

Your relative's ataxia may have been influenced by an autoimmune disease, but that doesn't make it nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #104

Most neurological diseases can have more than one contributory cause including my relative's Ataxia Bearware Mar 2015 #109

Again, I think it's very possible, even likely, that there are environmental components to autism. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #110

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Peer reviewed research is important. HuckleB Mar 2015 #34

It's pretty damned clear in my family tree. hunter Mar 2015 #47

Both positive and negative, yes. That's probably the best way to look at it. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #105

If this is true I'll never let my kids get a genetics shot! Kablooie Mar 2015 #50

pesticides linked to autism in 3 studies but no one wants to talk about it wordpix Mar 2015 #69

There is a different new theory *proving* the cause of autism Zorra Mar 2015 #71

3 studies I refer to LINK pesticides to autism but don't PROVE it wordpix Mar 2015 #72

My money is on it being an epigenetic phenomenon. GliderGuider Mar 2015 #74

We might be getting closer to finding a link KellyW Mar 2015 #79

Fascinating! Thanks for the link. GliderGuider Mar 2015 #80

Look at the results that come up from a search on Google: C4B gene CD46. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #85

The "condemnation" is because there's no solid proof that vaccines have anything to do with autism. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #106

“Solid proof” –what is that exactly? KellyW Mar 2015 #115

Plenty of environmental poisons including 11K agrotoxins not tested wordpix Mar 2015 #89

Genetics? Which vaccine is that? KamaAina Mar 2015 #77

More. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #82

Here's the abstract of the paper reporting this study. Lionel Mandrake Mar 2015 #88

maybe if get full-blown genetic studies we can start proving that autism is actually a whole host JCMach1 Mar 2015 #92

The extreme variation within the "spectrum" does strongly suggest that there are multiple disorders nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #121

Yes, many lies by the anti-vaccine deceivers, indeed. HuckleB Mar 2015 #122