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48. Wakefield was a quack right out of the gate

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:33 PM

Mar 2015

His samples were tiny and taken involuntarily. His conclusions were determined by the fact that he was backing another vaccine, so there was money involved. His "research" was tainted at every step of the process.

Research done properly will stand on its own. While moneyed interests will try to suppress it, such research has a way of getting published in obscure places and then picked up by less obscure journals. Look at tobacco research as an example.

What Wakefield did (besides expose children to injury and death from preventable illness) is also force mainstream journals like The Lancet to look a little more closely at what they're publishing. Having to withdraw his articles made for a lot of very red faces there, it was humiliating. They won't make the mistake again with the next quack, at least one hopes.

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Autism 'caused by genetics', study suggests [View all] HuckleB Mar 2015 OP

but but the playboy bunny said it's from vaccines Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #1

She did say it with her clothes on, though Major Nikon Mar 2015 #2

READ: 5/2014 JAMA study of 2 million people in Sweden from '82-'06, "The Familial Risk of Autism." proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #59

I'm not sure which is worse Major Nikon Mar 2015 #60

Better? No reason to participate in the sideshow. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #61

Sideshow? You mean like the stupid-shitbaggery vaccines-cause-autism sideshow? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #62

Sideshow, yes, irrelevant to this thread. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #63

Sweet Jebus, you think every single reply is an excuse for you to post anti-vax shitbattery Major Nikon Mar 2015 #64

Sideshow references related to post #63. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #65

"trumped up measles scare" you are one sad/funny persona. Rex Mar 2015 #116

Those are John Stone's words and he's readily accessible. I recommend reading his full comment... proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #117

Hey! Hey! She was Playmate of the Year! Yavin4 Mar 2015 #10

Yes cosmetic surgery can do wonders Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #70

I figured as much. I remember reading a report roguevalley Mar 2015 #39

THIS is funny!!! I guess way back when if you didn't have the sense to run from a saber-toothed tig adigal Mar 2015 #118

it just didn't used to be called autism Skittles Mar 2015 #3

During the Dark Ages and prior, autism probably got you killed so you couldn't breed. Trillo Mar 2015 #17

my brother was diagnosed as "emotionally disturbed" in the 70's Skittles Mar 2015 #24

If it was something that was killed off jamzrockz Mar 2015 #43

I'm reminded of Pottenger's Cats Trillo Mar 2015 #46

I think you're absolutely right on that, Skittles. My brother, now 66, is very much ADHD... Hekate Mar 2015 #23

There was a kid in my neighborhood when I was growing up The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #78

agreed Skittles Mar 2015 #83

I thought... SoapBox Mar 2015 #4

Obama certainly is to blame... for.... JDDavis Mar 2015 #15

I was told it was caused by "Refrigerator Moms." Archae Mar 2015 #5

They blamed Mom for everything that was wrong with a kid in the 50s and 60s Warpy Mar 2015 #27

Indeed, Warpy... so I was looking for recent Menendez/autism news on Google and this popped up. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #66

Here you go: Warpy Mar 2015 #67

Developing... sorry. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #68

You know full well that the story is a non story. HuckleB Mar 2015 #73

That's incorrect. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #75

Please stop promoting anti-vaccine propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2015 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #90

Ridiculous, I don't. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #91

You are pushing anti-vaccine propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2015 #93

No, I want transparency. You want to shut it all down and pretend everything's fine. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #94

And you prove my point again. HuckleB Mar 2015 #95

And now you're using the anti-vaxer, Kelly Brogan. HuckleB Mar 2015 #96

Wrong thread (maybe), wrong comments. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #97

Thanks for proving my point. HuckleB Mar 2015 #98

Why bother to do research when you already know it all? proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #99

More anti-vaccine nonsense. HuckleB Mar 2015 #100

Kicking the thread while trying to (mis)brand me? Here's a secret. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #103

You branded yourself. HuckleB Mar 2015 #111

#2 Correction: Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, UK lack universal Hep B vaccination policy proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #120

When it's good information, crowdsourcing ROCKS! Additional fine-tuning here. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #123

My mom used to joke about it saying "Frigidaire" on her forehead. KamaAina Mar 2015 #76

my best friend has a semi autistic adult daughter who blames her mother for everything dembotoz Mar 2015 #6

Someone should tell her that her mom isn't responsible for her own genes. candelista Mar 2015 #8

So if it's becaming enormously more prevalent Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #7

Is it really becoming more prevalent, murielm99 Mar 2015 #13

Well, there always is that, but Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #14

Yes, we are all "autistic" if we are not... JDDavis Mar 2015 #18

None of those things mean that your relative can't be mildly autistic. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #101

And many of them improperly mis-diagnosed, as the case of my relative who JDDavis Mar 2015 #108

I think a lot of kids are "autistic" because they are not the perfect child of "perfect" parents. LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #20

I think the diagnosis model needs to be refined roguevalley Mar 2015 #40

All fine & dandy Geronimoe Mar 2015 #9

Not in one generation, but the research is still going on JDDavis Mar 2015 #19

But over 80% of US children involved in a multi-vehicle accident have received the TDAP vaccine! struggle4progress Mar 2015 #11

Not buying it Brainstormy Mar 2015 #12

Well, this study is only confirming even more what other studies have shown over time. HuckleB Mar 2015 #16

I think certain conditions have been diagnosed much more often since healthcare became for-profit. n valerief Mar 2015 #25

Maybe now that they're no longer having to waste money refuting Wakefield's bull shit Warpy Mar 2015 #28

I've been thinking along those lines as well, especially after reading how many industrial chemicals Hekate Mar 2015 #35

Looking back, I can ID quite a few people I've known who were high functioning ASD people Warpy Mar 2015 #37

Same here. My whole family was "different," each in our own way. We just see the world ... Hekate Mar 2015 #41

Or maybe after the reaction to Wakefiel jamzrockz Mar 2015 #44

Wakefield was a quack right out of the gate Warpy Mar 2015 #48

"There was money involved." Those four words are all you really need. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #102

I am not sure you want to condemn everyone when money is involved- Dr Gerberding KellyW Mar 2015 #112

What does that have to do with Wakefield cherry-picking (and even falsifying) his research? nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #113

I am just saying that the 4 words "There was money involved." is not all you need to know KellyW Mar 2015 #114

That is the current official story, isn't it, but will it be the historical one? (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #119

WTF is "Northern California's agricultural region"? LeftyMom Mar 2015 #36

It's that area around Tule Lake Retrograde Mar 2015 #38

Not sure why so much in DU Brainstormy Mar 2015 #45

you get sarcasm when you respond to a peer reviewed study with basically, "nah, meh" CreekDog Mar 2015 #55

Ok, where's your study with the causal link between vaccines and autism? CreekDog Mar 2015 #54

I'm skeptical too. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #81

One peer-review study doesn't mean much Brainstormy Mar 2015 #84

I have what used to be called Aspergers Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2015 #21

I did not know it was called murielm99 Mar 2015 #22

According to the DSM-5, it is an "autism spectrum disorder", Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2015 #42

Thank you. bravenak Mar 2015 #26

There are abnormalities being... 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #29

Yep. My oldest son has Asperger's, SheilaT Mar 2015 #30

The headline "Autism 'caused by genetics', study suggests" is not true as stated Bearware Mar 2015 #31

Please don't push fictions at DU. HuckleB Mar 2015 #33

Not fictions at all Bearware Mar 2015 #49

Your links are marketing links. HuckleB Mar 2015 #51

Sometimes a quick glance is not enough and you throw the baby out with the bathwater Bearware Mar 2015 #52

You see, I know what you're pushing already. HuckleB Mar 2015 #53

I am pushing for science - when your consensus doesn't explain reality well it needs to change Bearware Mar 2015 #56

No, you're not. HuckleB Mar 2015 #57

I did not revise the links I deleted them because the posts can stand without them Bearware Mar 2015 #58

Your posts definitely stand as offering the usual pseudoscience. HuckleB Mar 2015 #87

Your relative's ataxia may have been influenced by an autoimmune disease, but that doesn't make it nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #104

Most neurological diseases can have more than one contributory cause including my relative's Ataxia Bearware Mar 2015 #109

Again, I think it's very possible, even likely, that there are environmental components to autism. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #110

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Peer reviewed research is important. HuckleB Mar 2015 #34

It's pretty damned clear in my family tree. hunter Mar 2015 #47

Both positive and negative, yes. That's probably the best way to look at it. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #105

If this is true I'll never let my kids get a genetics shot! Kablooie Mar 2015 #50

pesticides linked to autism in 3 studies but no one wants to talk about it wordpix Mar 2015 #69

There is a different new theory *proving* the cause of autism Zorra Mar 2015 #71

3 studies I refer to LINK pesticides to autism but don't PROVE it wordpix Mar 2015 #72

My money is on it being an epigenetic phenomenon. GliderGuider Mar 2015 #74

We might be getting closer to finding a link KellyW Mar 2015 #79

Fascinating! Thanks for the link. GliderGuider Mar 2015 #80

Look at the results that come up from a search on Google: C4B gene CD46. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #85

The "condemnation" is because there's no solid proof that vaccines have anything to do with autism. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #106

“Solid proof” –what is that exactly? KellyW Mar 2015 #115

Plenty of environmental poisons including 11K agrotoxins not tested wordpix Mar 2015 #89

Genetics? Which vaccine is that? KamaAina Mar 2015 #77

More. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #82

Here's the abstract of the paper reporting this study. Lionel Mandrake Mar 2015 #88

maybe if get full-blown genetic studies we can start proving that autism is actually a whole host JCMach1 Mar 2015 #92

The extreme variation within the "spectrum" does strongly suggest that there are multiple disorders nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #121

Yes, many lies by the anti-vaccine deceivers, indeed. HuckleB Mar 2015 #122