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undiegrinder

(79 posts)
47. I'll take a stab here but ...
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 10:52 PM
Mar 2015

This is just a neophyte's attempt to answer -- NOT argue against -- the points you made. (And sorry if it's naive, I'm just trying to learn. Any corrections of factual errors gratefully accepted.)

Among the differences I see:

1. The Dems overrode Reagan by initially introducing a sanctions bill in the House (subsequently replaced by the Senate's Lugar bill). IOW, they stayed within both their congressional powers AND America's borders in their efforts to change Reagan's foreign policy.

The Repubs' letter, OTOH, seems like a totally unprecedented and even potentially dangerous "stunt" with two specific purposes: humiliating Obama and trying to create some pretext for America to start yet another totally unnecessary war in the Middle East.

2. The Dems didn't sidestep Reagan by communicating with -- much less issuing stern warnings to -- the South African government.

Yet the Repubs have directly addressed Iran's leadership with claims that seem designed only to complicate the long-ongoing negotiations and even muddling just who the Iranians should be negotiating with.

3. When the Lugar bill passed both House and Senate, Reagan vetoed it and his veto was then overridden by both houses of Congress -- a process characterized at the time as "an unprecedented congressional rebuff of Reagan on a major foreign policy issue."

Contrast that with the Repubs' rather (IMHO) condescending letter ("you may not fully understand our constitutional system"??) which is not merely "unprecedented" but in fact downright dangerous.

They're not only interjecting pointless, pie-in-the-sky problems which, they insist, Iran "should seriously consider as negotiations progress" ...

Far worse, despite the virtual certainty they do NOT know all the details, the Repubs are intentionally complicating some extremely delicate negotiations about an issue with huge and scary global ramifications.

It's hard to believe that doesn't break any laws. How can sacrificing the good of our country -- maybe even the entire world? -- just to try (yet AGAIN) to humiliate a political foe NOT be a CRIME??

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Treason, pure and simple HERVEPA Mar 2015 #1
It isn't treason. The constitution spells that out. BillZBubb Mar 2015 #6
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason alfredo Mar 2015 #33
I wish they'd charge this guy with treason CanonRay Mar 2015 #38
I think Republicans want to strip the president of all power. If they can't remove him they can alfredo Mar 2015 #46
There are hard liners in Iran. Allying with them is indeed giving these enemies aid and comfort. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #45
Who's going to call him on it. a kennedy Mar 2015 #12
DOJ? adieu Mar 2015 #17
NO IT'S NOT leftynyc Mar 2015 #27
More evidence of our inequitable, dichotomous society. Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #16
I like Jane Fonda Nuh Uh Mar 2015 #35
That is bordering on sedition. BillZBubb Mar 2015 #2
exactly.n/t MBS Mar 2015 #5
Ironically, the text of the letter was a lesson to Iran on that very topic. arcane1 Mar 2015 #11
The problem is tbat the Presdent is working on an agreement ripcord Mar 2015 #19
The republicans would always have a chance to shoot it down. BillZBubb Mar 2015 #23
Sending an "open letter" borders on sedition onenote Mar 2015 #37
I'll take a stab here but ... undiegrinder Mar 2015 #47
What is the difference between an agreement with a foriegn country and a treaty? totodeinhere Mar 2015 #25
There's no "border" that I can see CanonRay Mar 2015 #39
Right. More technically sedition, rather than treason. maddiemom Mar 2015 #52
Iran already did explain it to them magical thyme Mar 2015 #53
high treason Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #3
I bet Mark Pryor wouldn't have sent such a letter Renew Deal Mar 2015 #4
Republicans toying with treason is nothing new. Remember Iran, 1980? lutefisk Mar 2015 #7
Totally agree, and yet ... undiegrinder Mar 2015 #48
And if the tables were turned? SpankMe Mar 2015 #8
IOKIYR NOt OK with me though, only OK with people who are NOT patriots. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #36
GOP, Party of War or War Party n/t DhhD Mar 2015 #9
If there is a war with Iran, draft Republicans. muntrv Mar 2015 #10
Especially elected Republicans. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #13
It is pathetic how much attention is being paid to this JonLP24 Mar 2015 #14
Yes, siree. Tom Cotton is a war hawk and his claim to fame was his service sinkingfeeling Mar 2015 #15
Republicans in league with Bibi and not the POTUS. Rand Paul and all. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2015 #18
Republicans are never big on negotiating solutions to international issues. They prefer bombing or pampango Mar 2015 #20
Holder and the WH need to jump on this. Madmiddle Mar 2015 #21
if history is any guide RussBLib Mar 2015 #22
An embarassment, to say the least, both here and abroad. pinto Mar 2015 #24
DINNNNNNNG! You hit the bell. slumcamper Mar 2015 #32
Apparently it is the GOP who doesn't know how the U.S. Gov't works! vkkv Mar 2015 #26
Attempting to interfere with a Presidents negotiations is Unconstitutional and illegal SteveG Mar 2015 #28
That looks pretty well clear cut. Thanks for the education. Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #31
LOGAN ACT/ Tom Cotton turbinetree Mar 2015 #29
Ughhh!!! sdfernando Mar 2015 #30
I smell some rats. Ollie ones, Koch ones, Rove ones erronis Mar 2015 #34
I now wonder if Tom Cotton was a traitor was serving in the military. Has anyone investigated his rladdi Mar 2015 #40
The GOP congress of the time did not abide by Clinton's agreement with North Korea either. hollowdweller Mar 2015 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #42
sedition. say it. SAY IT! pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #43
arrest that son of a gun! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #44
Also tried to apply blood ties to imprison... LynnTTT Mar 2015 #49
He should be censured maindawg Mar 2015 #50
@SenTomCotton: "Men are simple creatures. It doesn't take much to please us. The problem is women" riversedge Mar 2015 #51
Treason guss Mar 2015 #54
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