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150. It's like I said in my earlier post (#84). I don't know any of the individuals personally and the

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:11 PM

Mar 2015

only basis from which to draw inferences are news reports.

The CNN interviews are significant for several reasons. http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/us/oklahoma-fraternity-house-mom/

Objectively,

1. It presented the views of two people who know Mrs. Gilbow (Mom B) personally.

2. They knew her over an extended period of time.

3. That they are African American members of OU's SAE Chapter is important for two reasons: First, they can speak 1st hand whether they were subject to racist behavior by SAE and/or OU, and second - whether they observed racist behavior that targeted any other students, faculty, or staff.

4. Since they have already graduated, it is less likely that their statements have been coerced.

5. Their existence as SAE/OU Alumni answers the question of whether SAE prohibited black membership at OU.

Subjectively,

The content and tone of their statements strikes me as honest. It appeared to me that neither one wanted the spotlight, but that they judged it a moral imperative to describe Mrs. Gilbow and that their commitment to the truth was more important than jumping on the bandwagon to reinforce the popular media spin.

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Fraternity 'Mom' Is 'Heartbroken' Over Video That Shows Her Singing N-Word [View all] DonViejo Mar 2015 OP

"I am sorry I was caught on video" corkhead Mar 2015 #1

Yup. elleng Mar 2015 #10

Goes to show that you really shouldnt sing along these days to a song when it has cstanleytech Mar 2015 #2

The 'context' was the words to the song muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #3

Here, this might help... DonViejo Mar 2015 #4

'NoScript' forces that to be purely a list of websites muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #8

Link just worked for me. DonViejo Mar 2015 #11

Here it is! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #21

help lift the kegs, drag bodies of naked, roofied rape victims off the property... yurbud Mar 2015 #33

this is the racist song in question jberryhill Mar 2015 #7

I don't think she's claiming she was singing Trinidad James lyrics muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #9

Do you think the music was dubbed into the video of her? jberryhill Mar 2015 #15

No, no links I've found so far actually have the sound for her muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #16

The original video is linked in the OP article jberryhill Mar 2015 #22

Ah, NoScript forced that to be a still photo for me muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #24

You can hear the song in the background...here is video... snooper2 Mar 2015 #106

Interesting that I hear Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #32

that's the way most white people say it hfojvt Mar 2015 #134

Clean up a lot of puke AnnieBW Mar 2015 #133

Wow. kinda speechless. Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #5

These are the chorus lyrics to the song being played jberryhill Mar 2015 #6

Trinidad James .. well guess I'm getting old .. never heard of him. Is this the crap that kids> YOHABLO Mar 2015 #46

The clip I saw played of her on MSNBC Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #54

Correct. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2015 #82

Nothing new under the sun... jtuck004 Mar 2015 #12

That poor woman is such a victum...and so misunderstood. zeemike Mar 2015 #13

Yep. Just supportin' her boys. oldandhappy Mar 2015 #14

Busted Momma ShoreLiberal Mar 2015 #17

Welcome to DU. Which "center right" are "we" trying to win over to our side? uppityperson Mar 2015 #18

Thanks ShoreLiberal Mar 2015 #20

I think we may be into the 70's or even 80's by now nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #28

I don't think I'm overinterpreting that woman's immense enjoyment. Demit Mar 2015 #23

A more perfect nation ShoreLiberal Mar 2015 #37

So no one should be held responsible for their actions because of us being all librul minded? uppityperson Mar 2015 #42

Exteme ShoreLiberal Mar 2015 #49

It is "extreme" to take responsibility for one's actions? uppityperson Mar 2015 #50

Nope ShoreLiberal Mar 2015 #51

thanks for your concern! Kali Mar 2015 #83

She sang "nigga nigga nigga" and giggled while she did. That's not a judgment, that's fact. Demit Mar 2015 #57

Great post. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #64

I'm satisfied with my liberal bona fides ShoreLiberal Mar 2015 #85

Yeah, no, I don't think you're any kind of progressive at all. Demit Mar 2015 #87

Exactly. ShoreLiberal Mar 2015 #104

I think you're one hundred percent right, and I think there's a LOT of bullshit up in here. MADem Mar 2015 #138

I'm about the same age as 'Mom', Alkene Mar 2015 #31

True ShoreLiberal Mar 2015 #39

Thank you for your input. Alkene Mar 2015 #44

Your concern is noted. mac56 Mar 2015 #105

I believe she is actually 79--nearly 8 decades, not 6. nt tblue37 Mar 2015 #151

"our side?" snort TBF Mar 2015 #154

What a God awful disgrace of a human being, an old fool joke. I recall Mom mentioning their appalachiablue Mar 2015 #19

"Mom" is heartbroken. Well, so are African-Americans who hear that crap everyday. nt NCjack Mar 2015 #25

Really? Snow Leopard Mar 2015 #93

You sang it, you own it madokie Mar 2015 #26

So as a Hispanic, if I'm singing christx30 Mar 2015 #29

I have the the same thoughts, but then I am like you and Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #34

+1 Matariki Mar 2015 #36

For me I don't sing along with racist songs madokie Mar 2015 #48

My point is that christx30 Mar 2015 #65

Lady, if you look like a racist and sing like a racist and hang out with racists Warpy Mar 2015 #27

SAE needs to be slammed as hard as possible. Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #30

Then how about no tolerance for the song she was singing along with? It seems like Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #35

If you have to go out of your way to say you're not a racist . . . Vinca Mar 2015 #38

Ermagerd, has even this become a "Those people can say it, so why can't I?" issue, too? REALLY? alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #40

How many centuries will it take before their descendants will finally "get it"? Judi Lynn Mar 2015 #135

Some of the usual suspects, and some surprising ones alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #144

It is just as offensive as the "Talking Jive" scene in 'Airplane!" AngryAmish Mar 2015 #41

"White people should not listen to or perform hip hop." Matariki Mar 2015 #43

As a practical rule, it's a safe one jberryhill Mar 2015 #47

just curious, what else can't we do? Skittles Mar 2015 #52

We? jberryhill Mar 2015 #60

WE as in us old white gals Skittles Mar 2015 #61

I absolutely do not make rules for women jberryhill Mar 2015 #69

as a practical rule, that is a safe one Skittles Mar 2015 #80

So should we people of color not be able to sing about drunken irishmen on Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #97

I am not in the business of making rules for others jberryhill Mar 2015 #111

But you did. Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #114

I'm not even the person who said it jberryhill Mar 2015 #116

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #118

Angry Amish said "White people should not listen to or perform hip hop." jberryhill Mar 2015 #121

So then should black people not listen to or perform anything other than hip hop, jazz or motown Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #98

You want to know what's annoying jberryhill Mar 2015 #112

What's annoying is people that do not own what they say. Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #113

Yeah, I believe that is a practical rule to follow jberryhill Mar 2015 #115

Wow. Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #117

When you learn to read a thread jberryhill Mar 2015 #122

I posted EXACTLY what was said and you replied to. You need to be able to comprehend what you post. Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #124

"White people should not listen to or perform hip hop." NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #55

Don't listen to that. bravenak Mar 2015 #77

Good point. PersonNumber503602 Mar 2015 #56

"White people should not listen to or perform hip hop." christx30 Mar 2015 #92

How can you equate the jive scene from airplane Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #100

LOL, tell that to Eminem snooper2 Mar 2015 #109

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I AM NOT OUTRAGED!!! bravenak Mar 2015 #53

It is your duty to be outraged. That is how we do it here at DU. kwassa Mar 2015 #58

Good grief. They never get outraged when I am. bravenak Mar 2015 #59

well, that would require a more knowledgeable readership here ... kwassa Mar 2015 #62

You radfem SJWs read too much far left propaganda. bravenak Mar 2015 #63

but it can't be racism unless white people see it, too. kwassa Mar 2015 #66

Racism is like leprechauns. bravenak Mar 2015 #67

well, St. Patrick's Day is upon is .... kwassa Mar 2015 #68

Aww, he's cute! bravenak Mar 2015 #70

Everybody wants the gold. kwassa Mar 2015 #71

I came for the snow. Did not know I did not like snow. bravenak Mar 2015 #72

Time to move to Miami. kwassa Mar 2015 #73

Noooo!! bravenak Mar 2015 #74

Just move high enough on the mountainside. kwassa Mar 2015 #75

Don't worry. We have mountains. bravenak Mar 2015 #76

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By then the ice will have melted and Alaska will be the size of Florida. And then... freshwest Mar 2015 #139

Brilliant!!! bravenak Mar 2015 #140

Yup, looking forward to seeing this: freshwest Mar 2015 #141

One question. Are those of us that are of color allowed to sing about drunken Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #96

Everybody is Irish on St. Patrick's Day. kwassa Mar 2015 #99

That was a tongue in cheek question, I know racism only works against white people and not Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #101

Card Carrying White Person here. Go for it! freshwest Mar 2015 #142

It can't be racism unless white people say it is and only Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #88

True. This is a better definition than mine. kwassa Mar 2015 #89

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well, it has to do with the multiple meanings of the word .... kwassa Mar 2015 #102

Then that is selective outrage, period. Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #108

Different people select different outrages. DU runs on this. kwassa Mar 2015 #119

People can try to change the meaning of things, just because someone says something is racist Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #123

Is this thread about the N-Word or the I-Word? stone space Mar 2015 #127

Jury Results stone space Mar 2015 #130

I don't know any of the people involved. I've never been in a fraternity. Our son, in his 2nd year 24601 Mar 2015 #84

where did you get the interview from? kwassa Mar 2015 #86

I Google searched one of the phrases (link inside) ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #91

Thanks. That was a good interview with them. kwassa Mar 2015 #103

I thought it was too... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #107

Serious question? Would me singing along to a country song with the word redneck Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #110

A country song with the n-word? kwassa Mar 2015 #120

Ha, I messed that one up and edited my post. Redneck is the word. Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #126

There's that word again. stone space Mar 2015 #128

The I-Word gets an automatic alert from me. (Jury Results) stone space Mar 2015 #131

I said it before in this thread and I will say it again. It the lyrics are unacceptable for one Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #90

YOU are not the decider about what is "allowed" to be offensive to another person. MADem Mar 2015 #137

What the fiddlesticks does she EXPECT? She's misunderstood like Paula Deen. MADem Mar 2015 #81

So maybe you can come up with a list of who is allowed and is not allowed to sing Guaguacoa Mar 2015 #95

Who the hell are you and why are you making uncivil comments towards me? MADem Mar 2015 #129

You're casting aspersions about someone that christx30 Mar 2015 #132

Seriously, you're QUESTIONING if someone is a racist who SINGS the N-word? MADem Mar 2015 #136

Refer to #84. There were two African American OU/SAE graduates who were interviewed. 24601 Mar 2015 #147

So? You think that's proof of anything other than two guys, with careers, not wanting MADem Mar 2015 #149

It's like I said in my earlier post (#84). I don't know any of the individuals personally and the 24601 Mar 2015 #150

Look--we KNOW SAE is a racist outfit. You don't have "We'll never let an n-word in" songs MADem Mar 2015 #156

That's a bold statement, that "...we KNOW SAE is a racist outfit." My comment was about believing 24601 Mar 2015 #157

Surely you must be joking....or are you the only poor soul in the world to have not gotten the word? MADem Mar 2015 #158

As soon as you produce just one first person witness relative to Mrs. Gilbow, I'll discuss 24601 Mar 2015 #159

We're not saying she deserves a prize. christx30 Mar 2015 #153

People are strongly disapproving of her language. That's their right. MADem Mar 2015 #155

there are a lot of enablers of the greek system yurbud Mar 2015 #125

Breaking: SAE is suing OU Spider_Mann Mar 2015 #143

If someone sings along to Elton John's "The b***h is back" Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #145

If someone sings the Beatles "I want to hold your hand", christx30 Mar 2015 #146

There are some songs that white folks just should avoid singing along with... catbyte Mar 2015 #152

So this proves Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #160