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In reply to the discussion: Fraternity 'Mom' Is 'Heartbroken' Over Video That Shows Her Singing N-Word [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)158. Surely you must be joking....or are you the only poor soul in the world to have not gotten the word?
Yeah, they ARE a racist outfit. This is not a secret, nor is it a surprise.
Take off the doggone blinders, and stop embarrassing yourself:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/inside_higher_ed/2015/03/behind_the_chant_discrimination_at_oklahoma_s_sae_chapter_goes_deeper_than.html
The Ugly, Racist, Deadly History of Sigma Alpha Epsilon
The fraternitys problems arent limited to the University of Oklahoma or the South. And they stretch back decades.
Two months before the Civil War began, Noble Leslie DeVotie was boarding a steamship when he slipped, fell into the waters of Mobile Bay, and drowned.
DeVotie was one of the founders of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, the only national fraternity founded in the antebellum South. A chaplain at Alabama's Fort Morgan at the time of his death, he became the fraternitysand some argue, the country'sfirst Civil War casualty. Nearly 75 other SAE members would die before the wars end, the vast majority of them fighting for the Confederate South. When the survivors returned home, many found their universities burned to the ground and the 15 chapters of the fraternity in ruins.
SAE spent the next three decades rebuilding its ranks, eventually establishing chapters at Northern colleges. But their presence there among the well-established Northern fraternities was an uneasy one, so two members wrote a defiant march in which, as SAEs manual describes it, the fraternity entered, met and held at bay its rivals in the North. It was the first of many songs SAE would produce, earning it the nickname the singing fraternity.
There's nothing quaint about the nicknames SAE has these dayson many campuses people say the initials stand for sexual assault expected or same assholes everywhere. The fraternity is also known as the one in which members are most likely to die. And now it may be called the most racist. .... SAE has frequently been accused of racist and discriminatory behavior over the years. Now the largest fraternity in the country, SAE seems to have played a disproportionate role in some of the most offensive incidents in recent decades, yet it remains a house in good standing at more than 200 campuses....
DeVotie was one of the founders of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, the only national fraternity founded in the antebellum South. A chaplain at Alabama's Fort Morgan at the time of his death, he became the fraternitysand some argue, the country'sfirst Civil War casualty. Nearly 75 other SAE members would die before the wars end, the vast majority of them fighting for the Confederate South. When the survivors returned home, many found their universities burned to the ground and the 15 chapters of the fraternity in ruins.
SAE spent the next three decades rebuilding its ranks, eventually establishing chapters at Northern colleges. But their presence there among the well-established Northern fraternities was an uneasy one, so two members wrote a defiant march in which, as SAEs manual describes it, the fraternity entered, met and held at bay its rivals in the North. It was the first of many songs SAE would produce, earning it the nickname the singing fraternity.
There's nothing quaint about the nicknames SAE has these dayson many campuses people say the initials stand for sexual assault expected or same assholes everywhere. The fraternity is also known as the one in which members are most likely to die. And now it may be called the most racist. .... SAE has frequently been accused of racist and discriminatory behavior over the years. Now the largest fraternity in the country, SAE seems to have played a disproportionate role in some of the most offensive incidents in recent decades, yet it remains a house in good standing at more than 200 campuses....
Much more--all UGLY as hell--at the link. Unless you think mocking MLK's birthday and having "Jungle Fever" parties is just good clean fun? Screaming racial invective at black students and beating up Jews is what? College pranks?
Stop defending the indefensible.
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Fraternity 'Mom' Is 'Heartbroken' Over Video That Shows Her Singing N-Word [View all]
DonViejo
Mar 2015
OP
Goes to show that you really shouldnt sing along these days to a song when it has
cstanleytech
Mar 2015
#2
help lift the kegs, drag bodies of naked, roofied rape victims off the property...
yurbud
Mar 2015
#33
Trinidad James .. well guess I'm getting old .. never heard of him. Is this the crap that kids>
YOHABLO
Mar 2015
#46
Welcome to DU. Which "center right" are "we" trying to win over to our side?
uppityperson
Mar 2015
#18
So no one should be held responsible for their actions because of us being all librul minded?
uppityperson
Mar 2015
#42
She sang "nigga nigga nigga" and giggled while she did. That's not a judgment, that's fact.
Demit
Mar 2015
#57
I think you're one hundred percent right, and I think there's a LOT of bullshit up in here.
MADem
Mar 2015
#138
What a God awful disgrace of a human being, an old fool joke. I recall Mom mentioning their
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#19
"Mom" is heartbroken. Well, so are African-Americans who hear that crap everyday. nt
NCjack
Mar 2015
#25
Then how about no tolerance for the song she was singing along with? It seems like
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#35
Ermagerd, has even this become a "Those people can say it, so why can't I?" issue, too? REALLY?
alcibiades_mystery
Mar 2015
#40
How many centuries will it take before their descendants will finally "get it"?
Judi Lynn
Mar 2015
#135
So then should black people not listen to or perform anything other than hip hop, jazz or motown
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#98
I posted EXACTLY what was said and you replied to. You need to be able to comprehend what you post.
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#124
By then the ice will have melted and Alaska will be the size of Florida. And then...
freshwest
Mar 2015
#139
One question. Are those of us that are of color allowed to sing about drunken
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#96
That was a tongue in cheek question, I know racism only works against white people and not
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#101
People can try to change the meaning of things, just because someone says something is racist
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#123
I don't know any of the people involved. I've never been in a fraternity. Our son, in his 2nd year
24601
Mar 2015
#84
Serious question? Would me singing along to a country song with the word redneck
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#110
I said it before in this thread and I will say it again. It the lyrics are unacceptable for one
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#90
YOU are not the decider about what is "allowed" to be offensive to another person.
MADem
Mar 2015
#137
So maybe you can come up with a list of who is allowed and is not allowed to sing
Guaguacoa
Mar 2015
#95
Refer to #84. There were two African American OU/SAE graduates who were interviewed.
24601
Mar 2015
#147
So? You think that's proof of anything other than two guys, with careers, not wanting
MADem
Mar 2015
#149
It's like I said in my earlier post (#84). I don't know any of the individuals personally and the
24601
Mar 2015
#150
Look--we KNOW SAE is a racist outfit. You don't have "We'll never let an n-word in" songs
MADem
Mar 2015
#156
That's a bold statement, that "...we KNOW SAE is a racist outfit." My comment was about believing
24601
Mar 2015
#157
Surely you must be joking....or are you the only poor soul in the world to have not gotten the word?
MADem
Mar 2015
#158