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In reply to the discussion: Anti-Semitic attackers yelling 'we will kill you' storm synagogue in London [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)50. asdf
does actually depict two guys trading insults and threats with a third while all three are trying to get at each other
No, it doesn't. It shows a group of drunks trying--repeatedly--to force their way into a synagogue--with members of the synagogue both shouting and brandishing weapons at them.
The mouthy Jewish guy was not trying to get at those two. They were trying to force their way in. He was part of a group blocking their path. There was no one between him and them. He did not charge them.
I regret that I could not apply information that I have today to a post I made yesterday. Clearly I have failed your standards of omniscience
This information was available in the article linked to in the OP.
What he's doing is trying to keep the fight hot. That's exactly what he is doing. You can clutch your pearls until your fingers break, but that doesn't change what he's doing. Nor does it change the reality that by doing so, he is risking other people. Now you're cool with that. You're cool with the idea that maybe these other people get beat up because he runs into their Shul and decides to engage in trash-talk from behind their door and persons.
You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. You've maintained at various times he was hiding behind other people, yet he was up front. Also, he is wearing a kippa. Which matters, because you apparently didn't read what I excerpted.
the incident started at a house in the neighborhood where a party was ending and a number of young drunken men and women spilled out onto the street, starting a fight with two Jewish men who were not religious nor wearing a kippa.
After considerable pushing and shoving, the Jewish men decided to take refuge in the entrance hall to the nearby Ahavas Torah Synagogue.
After considerable pushing and shoving, the Jewish men decided to take refuge in the entrance hall to the nearby Ahavas Torah Synagogue.
So, the fact that this guy is wearing an kippa whereas the two who were accosted were not means . . . you again misstated facts.
Yes, actually, when some guy dives into a shul to escape a fight (can't blame him for that) and then turns around and starts with the fucking fight club macho-off bullshit (can totally blame him) it is a testosterone fight.
See above. You are operating from a set of factually false assumptions. It is a testosterone fight, but due exclusively to the aggression of the invaders.
Only two are engaging in violence in the video. The other four - again, in context of the video - are trespassing, or harassing. They're obviously part of the problem, never said they weren't. But it's just the two who are being violent, at least that we can see.
Well, you just contradicted this statement:
You've got three chav-tastic fuckfaces using the doorway of a synagogue as their chosen brawling station.
you've admitted that the only violence was coming from the invaders, and that the mouthy Jewish guy didn't engage in violence, and you've also admitted that he didn't 'choose' this location for any kind of brawl, but rather that it was forced upon the synagogue members by the unilateral actions of the drunk thugs
and this statement:
The fight seems to be between these three goons, while everyone else seems to be busy trying to keep them apart and bring hte situation down (which doesn't appear to be working, but then it rarely does)
as you've again admitted that the mouthy Jewish guy wasn't engaged in any violence, and that the only violence was directed by the aggressors towards all of the Jews collectively inside that synagogue. Also, you've also admitted that it is not true that "everyone else" besides the two violent drunks and the mouthy Jewish guy were "busy trying to keep them apart to bring the situation down." Clearly, from the video no one inside the synagogue is trying to restrain the mouthy Jewish guy--all of their efforts are focused in repelling the invaders. And that the other invaders were indeed not trying to separate everyone and bring the situation down, but were complicit in provoking the conflict.
Why you claimed otherwise remains a mystery.
Also, this:
it definitely looks like it's a personal thing between Furry Hoodie guy and the two outside
proved to be untrue, as it was a standoff between the two goons trying to force their way in and EVERYONE ELSE IN THE SYNAGOGUE. Indeed, the fact that they were brandishing chairs, slide rules, and mop handles against those two in order to deter further aggression is pretty much proof that it wasn't just a personal thing between the two invaders and the mouthy Jewish guy. The two invaders don't even pay that much attention to him.
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Anti-Semitic attackers yelling 'we will kill you' storm synagogue in London [View all]
Mosby
Mar 2015
OP
Really? You think the *only* reason anyone would ever attack Jews is because of Israel?
harrose
Mar 2015
#62
Thank heaven, someone who knows history. Last year in reading a book on Nazi Germany there was
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#95
I suggest you look into what anti-Semitism is and how long it has been around....
Behind the Aegis
Mar 2015
#68
Yes it was, and it wasn't just in Europe either. It has happened in the US also
still_one
Mar 2015
#76
yeah, because those fuckers are just heartbroken over Palestinians and care about deal with IRan
JI7
Mar 2015
#18
These thugs are bigots because they are bigots, not because of what happens
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#23
How about millennia of lies distortion and propaganda against the Jewish people?
ismnotwasm
Mar 2015
#93
Well, you were completely wrong about this, it was a bunch of thugs invading
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#28
That is false equivalence, blaming the VICTIM for defending his own synagogue against violent
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#34
You gave most (4/6) of the invaders a complete free pass, and you purposefully ignored the invasion
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#39
that's a really bizarre take on it. You have Jews cornered inside their own synagogue
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#27
While completely ignorning the context that the Jews were cornered inside a room inside their
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#30
He wasn't defending shit, he wanted to whip his dick around and didn't care who got hurt for his ego
Scootaloo
Mar 2015
#33
Once again, you give the invaders a complete pass for their act of provocation and
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#35
From the video, it does indeed look like a personal issue between those three
Scootaloo
Mar 2015
#45
"the dude's posturing, insults, catcalls, and threats drove the conflict. "
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#47
The fact is, if one is opposed to crimes motivated by bias against religion, one opposes all such
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#41
Jews and Muslims in Europe are political allies in the struggle against racism and bigotry.
Fred Sanders
Mar 2015
#42
I'm so glad the actions of some Jews make you apparently indifferent to attacks on any Jews anywhere
Unvanguard
Mar 2015
#65
Can I suggest changing the Title word "attackers" to "Attack" - so it will fit Twitter?
laserhaas
Mar 2015
#60