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geek tragedy

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50. asdf
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 12:35 PM
Mar 2015
does actually depict two guys trading insults and threats with a third while all three are trying to get at each other


No, it doesn't. It shows a group of drunks trying--repeatedly--to force their way into a synagogue--with members of the synagogue both shouting and brandishing weapons at them.

The mouthy Jewish guy was not trying to get at those two. They were trying to force their way in. He was part of a group blocking their path. There was no one between him and them. He did not charge them.

I regret that I could not apply information that I have today to a post I made yesterday. Clearly I have failed your standards of omniscience


This information was available in the article linked to in the OP.

What he's doing is trying to keep the fight hot. That's exactly what he is doing. You can clutch your pearls until your fingers break, but that doesn't change what he's doing. Nor does it change the reality that by doing so, he is risking other people. Now you're cool with that. You're cool with the idea that maybe these other people get beat up because he runs into their Shul and decides to engage in trash-talk from behind their door and persons.


You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. You've maintained at various times he was hiding behind other people, yet he was up front. Also, he is wearing a kippa. Which matters, because you apparently didn't read what I excerpted.

the incident started at a house in the neighborhood where a party was ending and a number of young drunken men and women spilled out onto the street, starting a fight with two Jewish men who were not religious nor wearing a kippa.

After considerable pushing and shoving, the Jewish men decided to take refuge in the entrance hall to the nearby Ahavas Torah Synagogue.


So, the fact that this guy is wearing an kippa whereas the two who were accosted were not means . . . you again misstated facts.

Yes, actually, when some guy dives into a shul to escape a fight (can't blame him for that) and then turns around and starts with the fucking fight club macho-off bullshit (can totally blame him) it is a testosterone fight.


See above. You are operating from a set of factually false assumptions. It is a testosterone fight, but due exclusively to the aggression of the invaders.

Only two are engaging in violence in the video. The other four - again, in context of the video - are trespassing, or harassing. They're obviously part of the problem, never said they weren't. But it's just the two who are being violent, at least that we can see.

Well, you just contradicted this statement:

You've got three chav-tastic fuckfaces using the doorway of a synagogue as their chosen brawling station.


you've admitted that the only violence was coming from the invaders, and that the mouthy Jewish guy didn't engage in violence, and you've also admitted that he didn't 'choose' this location for any kind of brawl, but rather that it was forced upon the synagogue members by the unilateral actions of the drunk thugs

and this statement:
The fight seems to be between these three goons, while everyone else seems to be busy trying to keep them apart and bring hte situation down (which doesn't appear to be working, but then it rarely does)


as you've again admitted that the mouthy Jewish guy wasn't engaged in any violence, and that the only violence was directed by the aggressors towards all of the Jews collectively inside that synagogue. Also, you've also admitted that it is not true that "everyone else" besides the two violent drunks and the mouthy Jewish guy were "busy trying to keep them apart to bring the situation down." Clearly, from the video no one inside the synagogue is trying to restrain the mouthy Jewish guy--all of their efforts are focused in repelling the invaders. And that the other invaders were indeed not trying to separate everyone and bring the situation down, but were complicit in provoking the conflict.

Why you claimed otherwise remains a mystery.

Also, this:

it definitely looks like it's a personal thing between Furry Hoodie guy and the two outside


proved to be untrue, as it was a standoff between the two goons trying to force their way in and EVERYONE ELSE IN THE SYNAGOGUE. Indeed, the fact that they were brandishing chairs, slide rules, and mop handles against those two in order to deter further aggression is pretty much proof that it wasn't just a personal thing between the two invaders and the mouthy Jewish guy. The two invaders don't even pay that much attention to him.

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Thanks, Bibi. Helen Borg Mar 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2015 #2
Because people see no difference. Helen Borg Mar 2015 #4
I would be surprised... LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #8
Excellent question. I doubt you'll get an answer. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #25
+1 mwrguy Mar 2015 #3
How convenient to blame Jews for anti-Semitism. n/t Unvanguard Mar 2015 #6
oh its real convenient e-cigdub Mar 2015 #10
...^ that x100 - unbelievable 840high Mar 2015 #17
You mean the way ann--- Mar 2015 #56
This has NOTHING to do with Israel. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #58
despite your illogic, it does have to do with attacking Jews wordpix Mar 2015 #59
Really? You think the *only* reason anyone would ever attack Jews is because of Israel? harrose Mar 2015 #62
What other reason ann--- Mar 2015 #88
Your anti-semitisim is showing and it's not pretty. Quackers Mar 2015 #97
Anti-Semitism did not suddenly spring into existence in 1948. n/t Unvanguard Mar 2015 #64
But, it was only in Germany ann--- Mar 2015 #89
Are you even being remotely serious?! Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #91
Thank heaven, someone who knows history. Last year in reading a book on Nazi Germany there was appalachiablue Mar 2015 #95
I hope you are joking MrBig Mar 2015 #92
I suggest you look into what anti-Semitism is and how long it has been around.... Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #68
Wait, whut? Codeine Mar 2015 #73
WTF? melman Mar 2015 #77
do learn a smidgeon of history, my friend. cali Mar 2015 #80
Who is "they"? What does that have to do with an attack on a synagogue? Unvanguard Mar 2015 #63
What the fuck? ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #94
This sort of thing was going on long before Bibi. LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #7
Yes it was, and it wasn't just in Europe either. It has happened in the US also still_one Mar 2015 #76
Bibi had nothing to do with this. 840high Mar 2015 #16
yeah, because those fuckers are just heartbroken over Palestinians and care about deal with IRan JI7 Mar 2015 #18
These thugs are bigots because they are bigots, not because of what happens geek tragedy Mar 2015 #23
But, why do you think ann--- Mar 2015 #90
How about millennia of lies distortion and propaganda against the Jewish people? ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #93
disturbing response. cali Mar 2015 #79
Judging from the video... Scootaloo Mar 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author android fan Mar 2015 #9
Jury results Trillo Mar 2015 #11
Weird Scootaloo Mar 2015 #13
You didn't go too far. 840high Mar 2015 #19
sounds like a stalker to me Skittles Mar 2015 #75
it appears to me that quite a bit happened before the video started Mosby Mar 2015 #12
Yeah, it's clearly not a thorough documentation or anything Scootaloo Mar 2015 #14
Well, you were completely wrong about this, it was a bunch of thugs invading geek tragedy Mar 2015 #28
Some folks are keen on minimizing anti-semitic violence whenever possible oberliner Mar 2015 #31
I didn't blame any victims, geek Scootaloo Mar 2015 #32
That is false equivalence, blaming the VICTIM for defending his own synagogue against violent geek tragedy Mar 2015 #34
The false equivalence is yours, geek Scootaloo Mar 2015 #37
You gave most (4/6) of the invaders a complete free pass, and you purposefully ignored the invasion geek tragedy Mar 2015 #39
You're missing something... Scootaloo Mar 2015 #43
Except you still clung to the false narrative. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #46
I stated what the video depicts. Scootaloo Mar 2015 #48
asdf geek tragedy Mar 2015 #50
One thing before bed... Scootaloo Mar 2015 #52
cheers, thank you, and and good night nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #53
Of more accurately, how you interpreted what the video depicts. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #54
that's a really bizarre take on it. You have Jews cornered inside their own synagogue geek tragedy Mar 2015 #27
I don't recall saying "both sides are guilty" Scootaloo Mar 2015 #29
While completely ignorning the context that the Jews were cornered inside a room inside their geek tragedy Mar 2015 #30
He wasn't defending shit, he wanted to whip his dick around and didn't care who got hurt for his ego Scootaloo Mar 2015 #33
Once again, you give the invaders a complete pass for their act of provocation and geek tragedy Mar 2015 #35
And once again, your imagination is taking over your mouth Scootaloo Mar 2015 #38
"a confrontation between three knucklehead Chavs," geek tragedy Mar 2015 #40
From the video, it does indeed look like a personal issue between those three Scootaloo Mar 2015 #45
"the dude's posturing, insults, catcalls, and threats drove the conflict. " geek tragedy Mar 2015 #47
Okay, so now your position is that he WAS being helpful? Scootaloo Mar 2015 #49
Why are you assuming this guy ran into the synagogue from outside? geek tragedy Mar 2015 #51
The fact is, if one is opposed to crimes motivated by bias against religion, one opposes all such Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #41
Absolutely agree Scootaloo Mar 2015 #44
Cocnur laserhaas Mar 2015 #61
you sound like you are blaming strawberries Mar 2015 #67
I was wrong. See Post 52 Scootaloo Mar 2015 #71
my apologize strawberries Mar 2015 #72
So Completely Disturbing colsohlibgal Mar 2015 #15
"group of intoxicated men, believed to have come from a nearby party" NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #20
Signs of more to come? Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #21
I hope not sakabatou Mar 2015 #22
London's Jews 'fear racial attacks' Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #24
BBC News: Six arrested after Stamford Hill synagogue attack PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #26
the drunk children of the damned Sunlei Mar 2015 #36
Jews and Muslims in Europe are political allies in the struggle against racism and bigotry. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #42
that would be nice. It's largely a false narrative, however. cali Mar 2015 #81
That is definitely not true oberliner Mar 2015 #84
Nuttyahoo's lies ann--- Mar 2015 #55
Once again, this has NOTHING to do with Israel nor Netanyahu. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #57
I'm so glad the actions of some Jews make you apparently indifferent to attacks on any Jews anywhere Unvanguard Mar 2015 #65
Making excuses for the perpetrators MrBig Mar 2015 #66
Apparently not the only one who thinks this way. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #69
So what do you ann--- Mar 2015 #83
Simple - Hatred of Jews MrBig Mar 2015 #85
But, what, in particular ann--- Mar 2015 #86
They were drunk...in vino veritas Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #87
Oh please stop going on about Israel. This has fuck-all to do with that. Codeine Mar 2015 #74
Since when has London been in Israel? LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #78
wow. you really have a hard time grasping the most basic shit or cali Mar 2015 #82
Can I suggest changing the Title word "attackers" to "Attack" - so it will fit Twitter? laserhaas Mar 2015 #60
must be a European thing quadrature Mar 2015 #70
And the human race supposedly is evolving. Really. WestSeattle2 Mar 2015 #96
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