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In reply to the discussion: Russia threatens to use 'nuclear force' over Crimea and the Baltic states [View all]LiberalLovinLug
(14,781 posts)So i googled that and read up.
Its not much of a surprise that the US was and is involved in the internal affairs of a nation especially one positioned where it is. The whole just of that conversation was that a peaceful resolution with Russia would be better served with candidate A working together with candidate B. And the EU was not contributing much to the conversation to make this happen. But the UN would be a better broker for the US...so fuck the EU.
Look I have no doubt opposition parties were funded and helped by the State Department, or whoever handles that, but to me it looks like Poroshenko won despite the USA's preference for some kind of coalition with former government officials and the opposition leader.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/06/state-dept-official-caught-on-tape-fuck-the-eu.html
I think were in play, Pyatt tells Nuland about a plan to join the opposition and government into one unit, apparently being attempted by the U.S. government behind the scenes. The tape may have been referring to a late January power sharing deal that has since been rejected by opposition leaders."
So that never happened and Ukrainians voted in the billionaire Willy Wonka instead. So the "fuck the EU" ends up just being a rude comment and doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things.
Like I said its not a shock to me that the US is right in there trying to influence a foreign election.
But all of that does not in any way excuse Putin's over-reaction and invasion of a sovereign state....not with back room private meetings where the word "fuck" is thrown around...but actual boots on the ground, guns, tanks, even passenger airlines blown out of the sky.