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Scootaloo

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85. He hasn't, actually

Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:02 PM

Apr 2015

Latvia did indeed get worried after the events in Ukraine. There had been no threats against the Baltics from Russia, however. But Latvia called in NATO to bulk up anyway - I guess I can't blame them for worry, as a 'just in case" scenario. Russia, meanwhile, sees an explicitly anti-Russian nuclear-powered military alliance massing on its border in a state that NATO had promised some years before to not seek the membership of.

So you've got a situation basically with two kids shouting over a line on a playground. neither really has any intent of crossing the line to really get in the others' face, but they keep shouting about how much they'll fuck the other up if it happens. And with every exchange of threats the situation escalates. Eventually one of them is going to feel so threatened that they attack, or is going to be so sensitive that they interpret a gesture as a swing.

And then there's all the people who are right there, circled around shouting for blood. They want more escalation because they think a fight would be fun to watch.

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Russia threatens to use 'nuclear force' over Crimea and the Baltic states [View all] 7962 Apr 2015 OP

S=rious.y, wtf happens when Putin nukes Uraine? Old and In the Way Apr 2015 #1

I don't even want to think what would happen sakabatou Apr 2015 #71

They are NATO countries. murielm99 Apr 2015 #2

Couple of points Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #3

... NuclearDem Apr 2015 #9

So hearsay is now ok in news? newthinking Apr 2015 #12

Considering our own leaders RobertEarl Apr 2015 #63

I disagree that it was a crime Telcontar Apr 2015 #65

welcome to DU? RobertEarl Apr 2015 #66

The ultimate extension of the Scalia Doctrine Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #70

Did not realize there was a DU orthodoxy Telcontar Apr 2015 #79

Really has nothing to do with Putin Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #15

Assuming anything in this article is true (which I'm unsure about) PersonNumber503602 Apr 2015 #16

It's not a matter of countries Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #17

You do not believe that Russia's recent activities are only further encouraging PersonNumber503602 Apr 2015 #19

You need to get the timeline in the right order Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #21

US/EU initiate coup in Ukraine? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #27

Not even a slight stretch Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #53

Thanks for the info LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #64

Still getting the timeline backwards. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #34

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #51

No, you clearly don't. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #58

"George Bush in Disguise" LOLOLOLOL When they have nothing to refute your facts.. they resort to Cha Apr 2015 #67

You did a very good job of summarizing Russian state media's bullshit geek tragedy Apr 2015 #45

I wonder who supplied the US flags. Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #28

So you're justifying an explicit threat of nuclear warfare. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #42

As I have already established Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #54

When was the last time China threatened to nuke someone? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #56

When has anyone here justified any country using nuclear force? NuclearDem Apr 2015 #59

Most nations do get upset if you mass military force at their borders Scootaloo Apr 2015 #78

Those drills didn't just appear out of nowhere. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #84

He hasn't, actually Scootaloo Apr 2015 #85

Actually, he has. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #86

Seeking legal prosecutions against perceived deserters is not a military threat. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #87

Not a military threat, fine, but what's the purpose of bringing up old Soviet issues NuclearDem Apr 2015 #90

Yeah, it's not like invading and annexing part of another country is at all provocative. Adrahil Apr 2015 #33

Amen! 7962 Apr 2015 #74

Taken from American notes? Geronimoe Apr 2015 #4

I really hope this is bullsheets. PersonNumber503602 Apr 2015 #5

so who said this? who heard it said? names please and proof would be useful as well nt msongs Apr 2015 #6

It is easy to notice the persistant pattern of these stories in our media newthinking Apr 2015 #14

Much as it's easy to notice the obvious patterns coming from Russian state-owned media. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #40

Putin should be declared incompetent and replaced by those in power in Russia. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #7

Don't worry, he'll totally be done after NuclearDem Apr 2015 #8

Finally!!! Short post that says it ALL. 7962 Apr 2015 #30

Has anybody pointed out to Putin who will be eating the fallout? Warpy Apr 2015 #10

You seem disappointed that we aren't into WW III. What response do you think rhett o rick Apr 2015 #11

Right... NuclearDem Apr 2015 #38

Yeah, their little red herring strawmen are RIDICULOUS.. are you just so "disappointed Cha Apr 2015 #69

This is simply another confirmation that we are *both* pushing each other's buttons. newthinking Apr 2015 #13

Sounds like one of those "written by the CIA" type articles... MattSh Apr 2015 #18

The basic premise is correct: It's the same as Ukraine. DetlefK Apr 2015 #20

It's simpler than that Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #22

And why did the Baltic states join NATO??? DetlefK Apr 2015 #23

Do you know of any NATO states at war with anyone? joshcryer Apr 2015 #26

Cue the bullshit NATO map davidpdx Apr 2015 #31

You mean the one showing NATO bases in Kazakhstan? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #48

And Korea, and Japan....etc. davidpdx Apr 2015 #73

Their relationship with Russia before NATO was NuclearDem Apr 2015 #35

Um, Russia left the Baltics alone because they broke away. joshcryer Apr 2015 #25

Russia has an absolute, unambiguous and current obligation to leave the Baltics alone. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #43

Ummmmmmmmmmmm................ raven mad Apr 2015 #24

My family grew up in post WWII Latvia tavernier Apr 2015 #29

Nearly every post before yours needs to read what you just said. 7962 Apr 2015 #32

My parents fled Estonia ahead of Stalin's troops LiberalEsto Apr 2015 #88

Amen, Esto tavernier Apr 2015 #89

My Latvian grandparents ended up in a displaced persons camp in Germany after the war. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #91

Mine were in a DP camp in Germany too. LiberalEsto Apr 2015 #92

Moscow Times: Inside the Confused Mind of Vladimir Putin pampango Apr 2015 #36

Russia is a bully fiddodiddo Apr 2015 #37

Russia denies threatening use of nuclear weapons bemildred Apr 2015 #39

He doesn't deny that he'd try to launch a soft invasion of the Baltics though. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #41

Yep, they are both still doing it. bemildred Apr 2015 #46

I would quibble slightly. I think they understand each other very well. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #47

You are the one that mentioned pedagogy. bemildred Apr 2015 #49

I guess by pedagogy I meant that Putin was trying to teach Europe and North geek tragedy Apr 2015 #50

It does not matter what the lesson is. bemildred Apr 2015 #52

States try to teach one another lessons all the time. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #55

And they regret it all the time. bemildred Apr 2015 #57

There is the possibility that the lesson of Iraq geek tragedy Apr 2015 #61

Well that is the question in my mind: are WE capable of learning? bemildred Apr 2015 #62

The Independent is owned by a Russian oligarch CJCRANE Apr 2015 #44

Doesn't matter if you believe the media or not.. we have a personal anecdote that verifies from a Cha Apr 2015 #68

You know how it is; dont like the messenger, therefore the message is false. nt 7962 Apr 2015 #76

And, visa versa.. don't like the message so the messenger is false Cha Apr 2015 #77

same countries the nazis devastated and the russians vultured in and never fully left. Sunlei Apr 2015 #60

According to notes written by some guy and seen by another guy at some meeting. Not LBN Monk06 Apr 2015 #72

The story was dated Apr 2. Thats when the story was first released. So yes it is. 7962 Apr 2015 #75

Well then Monk06 Apr 2015 #82

OK, that was a good one. Havent seen her in too long! 7962 Apr 2015 #83

It was at a meeting of the Elbe Group Depaysement Apr 2015 #80

Thanks for that. nt bemildred Apr 2015 #81