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109. Big business and corporate lobbyists

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 11:12 AM

Apr 2015

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support this agreement because it will increase their profits, period. By definition, that means reducing the cost of manufacturing. How is this supposed to be accomplished without reducing wages and benefits for workers and eliminating measures that protect the environment? It simply is NOT possible for everyone to benefit from an increase in profits for shareholders and executives. Some, will have to lose so that others can gain. A corporation is a thermodynamic system; energy coming in, in the form of resources and labor, energy going out, in the form of capital (which is a highly inaccurate representation of usable energy), always at a net loss of energy. If a share of the outgoing energy increases for some, it has to be offset by a loss for others. No other view, is consistent with the Laws of Thermodynamics.

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Deal Reached on Fast-Track Authority for Obama on Trade Pact [View all] daa Apr 2015 OP

Total bullshit... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #1

Just be quiet, and soon your problems will be over. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #2

"...one of the toughest legislative battles of his last 19 months in office." KansDem Apr 2015 #3

This will be the end of us ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #87

Fuck!!!! TDale313 Apr 2015 #4

Can't wait to see who voted for it. djean111 Apr 2015 #5

+1 subterranean Apr 2015 #27

+1 daleanime Apr 2015 #38

Reced for exposure. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #6

Read the article: The fight goes on! LongTomH Apr 2015 #7

The good news is it will be made public before voting: MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #8

Only the TuufFarry can stop it now. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #10

But why would the tyrant Obama allow you or anyone any time to "stop it"? JoePhilly Apr 2015 #18

LOL! nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #20

yup - it's pathetic Skittles Apr 2015 #97

Well, all those saying it wouldn't be available, are WRONG AGAIN. Maybe they are wrong about more. Hoyt Apr 2015 #28

Amazing, isn't it? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #36

well, druidity33 Apr 2015 #84

Nope. The 4 years applied to negotiating documents where country's whined about Hoyt Apr 2015 #86

Glad about that. My guess is that it is people like DU and the Unions who have been paying jwirr Apr 2015 #30

How can anyone admire or respect SamKnause Apr 2015 #9

All excellent questions donnasgirl Apr 2015 #11

Thanks. Great link. Alan Grayson is so right. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #29

You are most welcome !!! SamKnause Apr 2015 #33

Trojan Horse President lark Apr 2015 #44

Democratic presidents always SamKnause Apr 2015 #48

... Enthusiast Apr 2015 #52

Were Are The Obama Apologists? billhicks76 Apr 2015 #99

did you miss the latest apologist meme, SamKnause Skittles Apr 2015 #98

And the nuts and bolts of it is that we get screwed. Hoppy Apr 2015 #12

*Surprise!* Fearless Apr 2015 #13

As of now only 15 "Democrats" in the house support it and they'll need more like 35. pa28 Apr 2015 #14

That's right because some Tea Party congresspeople also oppose it. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #22

There are so many Democrats owned by INdemo Apr 2015 #103

That GIANT GIANT sucking sound.......... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #15

Hail to that great republican - Ross Perot! pampango Apr 2015 #43

Yeah. That's why we all think NAFTA was so great just because you told us it is. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #55

Indeed he is 'renegotiating NAFTA'. 75% of TPP trade is with Canada and Mexico. pampango Apr 2015 #60

He will make it worse. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #63

No, jobs were lost almost immediately and continued. former9thward Apr 2015 #61

American wages and household incomes rose after NAFTA as did manufacturing employment until 2000. pampango Apr 2015 #65

You claimed manufacturing jobs rose in the 90s. former9thward Apr 2015 #68

I claimed they rose after NAFTA. They did. You're right they declined in the early 1990's pre-NAFTA. pampango Apr 2015 #71

They fell in the 90s since 1994. former9thward Apr 2015 #73

No, they fell in the 1990's before 1994 then rose. That's what the graph shows. pampango Apr 2015 #76

I'm still waiting for my high paying NAFTA job!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #62

If German workers "can compete with any worker in the world" I suspect Americans can too. pampango Apr 2015 #70

ARe you REALLY going to insist that good American jobs did NOT migrate to Mexico... bvar22 Apr 2015 #72

"And we have always been at war with EastAsia." We have? Always? pampango Apr 2015 #74

Dodge of question noted. bvar22 Apr 2015 #75

I found your statement that "And we have always been at war with EastAsia" more interesting pampango Apr 2015 #80

Note to pampango: bvar22 Apr 2015 #120

One major difference is that Germany has a VAT tax, Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 #102

Exactly! ctsnowman Apr 2015 #100

What, oh what will this country look like in 10-20 years from now? Unbelievable. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #66

Just called my 2 Senators and Representative. Whitehouse line is busy, surprise surprise. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #16

Yay, Oligarchs! Octafish Apr 2015 #17

They will not even let it see the light of day before passing. Scalded Nun Apr 2015 #19

Any voting you do will be after the deal is done. zeemike Apr 2015 #26

Can we get Iran to join in the Treaty, then Congress will pay attention and try to stop it. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2015 #21

And as it went for NAFTA... CANDO Apr 2015 #23

I doubt Obama will attempt to avoid 'blame'. Unlike NAFTA, all the negotiations for the TPP were pampango Apr 2015 #35

TPP negotiations began in 2005 under George W. Bush's Administration. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #41

"The original agreement was concluded by Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore on 3 June 2005." pampango Apr 2015 #46

Well, to be fair. EIGHT countries had agreed to enter into these negotiations prior to... stillwaiting Apr 2015 #56

The substantive negotiations have all been done during the Obama administration. No one would argue pampango Apr 2015 #77

I'm not sure that the left will view that as a positive in the future. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #81

Perhaps not. Clinton could say NAFTA was signed (December 1992) before he came into pampango Apr 2015 #82

Revisionist History Noted. bvar22 Apr 2015 #112

The link says it was signed in... 2005! More mess for a Democrat to clean up. freshwest Apr 2015 #88

Done deal? That shit hasn't passed Congress, nothing binding in or on our law. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #93

Correct, but the President will be way out of matters by then, like Clinton, other POTUS. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #54

call, email, fax, write congress... yurbud Apr 2015 #24

Let have Hillary Clinton weigh in on this. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #25

I doubt you will ever pin her down on that one. zeemike Apr 2015 #32

"As far as TPP goes, Mrs. Clinton is strongly in favor of gay marriage rights" Doctor_J Apr 2015 #85

Yep. You nailed it! GoneFishin Apr 2015 #89

This post, in a few words, nails the whole game dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #94

Excellent! ctsnowman Apr 2015 #101

Oh, that's good. +1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #114

Notice to the swooners: This is why real democrats like me use the term 'Obummer.' PSPS Apr 2015 #31

http://www.thecommentator.com/system/articles/inner_pictures/000/005/415/original/obama-laughing.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #34

They are desperate to get this done.... daleanime Apr 2015 #37

I guess that means American democracy will be officially dead and buried in 24 hours Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #39

American democracy sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #57

This treachery cannot be forgiven. gregcrawford Apr 2015 #40

Oh, but it MUST be! Doctor_J Apr 2015 #104

Obama and the majority of congress totally f#ed us on this lark Apr 2015 #42

The Corporate States of America (2001 - ) Martak Sarno Apr 2015 #45

Oh hell,,,, the Sky is FAlling! Cryptoad Apr 2015 #47

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Apr 2015 #49

Joke's on us. Just like it always is! pa28 Apr 2015 #58

Great... The Democrats Always Seem To Find A Way To Shoot Themselves In The Foot... WillyT Apr 2015 #50

I hope you all are retired or rich. WillTwain Apr 2015 #51

Too bad it's not just a nightmare chapdrum Apr 2015 #53

Of course the PTB would prefer a GOP legislature. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #59

Why should they prefer the GOP? FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #69

You're right about the gay thing, of course. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #78

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #115

I trust that President Obama will veto this. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #64

But Republicans are the bad guys, our.. sendero Apr 2015 #67

Let's all call Pete DeFazio's office and ask him to primary Wyden today! cascadiance Apr 2015 #79

Great idea if you live in Oregon dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #96

Let's add it to The List Doctor_J Apr 2015 #83

Fucked again by the corporate class. blackspade Apr 2015 #90

We should be known as the United Federation of Multinational Corporations Triana Apr 2015 #91

....... BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #107

Global economic integration will continue with or without this deal... BrentWil Apr 2015 #92

K & F'n R dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #95

And Hillary secretly giggles with delight, Brewinblue Apr 2015 #105

Yup, if he gets it through she is off the hook. nt TBF Apr 2015 #106

She sure does. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #116

This is outragous turbinetree Apr 2015 #108

Big business and corporate lobbyists ronnie624 Apr 2015 #109

I think many are over-reacting to this. DCBob Apr 2015 #110

It seems illogical to assume ronnie624 Apr 2015 #113

Of course China should have "influence" in the region but they are going way beyond that. DCBob Apr 2015 #121

Actually, ronnie624 Apr 2015 #122

For sure oil is main reason China has expanded it's claims thousands of miles off its shore. DCBob Apr 2015 #123

Goodbye America. It was good to know you. 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #111

But, but, the TPP will be all champagne and strawberries for American workers, right? BeanMusical Apr 2015 #117

Does American labor count at all? DrKZ Apr 2015 #118

Does American labor count at all? DrKZ Apr 2015 #119