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Sen. Walter Sobchak

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73. The issue in Canada really isn't the pipelines

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:52 PM

Apr 2015

The issue is that the Canadian first nations and treaties are more or less stuck in the British colonial era rather than part of Canada's peculiar federalism. This absolutely archaic arrangement comes into conflict with their modern constitutional and legislated rights. You also have the issue of provinces not really having terribly constructive relationships with the reserves.

Because of this the regulatory processes surrounding large energy projects are really the only opportunity they have to get their grievances heard. A band council annoying the hell out of the INAC Indian Agent on whatever issue can just get lost in the federal bureaucracy. Using their traditional rights to interfere with billion dollar projects they can make unwitting accomplices of the energy industry who will apply pressure to see these issues resolved so they may proceed. Some of these issues are comically insignificant yet went unresolved in the Indian bureaucracy.

Back here in the USA, the Navajo Nation is aggressively tacking water issues. Both in water treatment of groundwater and achieving increased access to the San Juan River.

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The Grand Canyon Is Getting A Mall [View all] brooklynite Apr 2015 OP

If there is anything more than a footprintless footpath to the canyon seveneyes Apr 2015 #1

WTF? footprints on a trail are as bad as a mall? wordpix Apr 2015 #6

In a world of absolutes, the details are moot seveneyes Apr 2015 #13

I'll take footprints over a mall any day wordpix Apr 2015 #75

Modesty is the hardest to hide seveneyes Apr 2015 #79

They have an Imax at the visitor center Drale Apr 2015 #33

I can imagine seveneyes Apr 2015 #35

Capitalism at its best! Pharaoh Apr 2015 #2

Pharoah, you're heard chapdrum Apr 2015 #14

And you don't think other countries do similar? yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #17

We built the Great Wall snort Apr 2015 #19

Ok. That's fair. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #20

I am a native Arizonan. snort Apr 2015 #21

bravo, I agree wordpix Apr 2015 #76

hey, NJ here, and I have not set foot in a mall for decades - hollysmom Apr 2015 #90

I thought we did build the Grand Canyon. kwassa Apr 2015 #66

A KFC at the Great Wall was a mind blower for me jberryhill Apr 2015 #85

Couldn't have said it any better swilton Apr 2015 #30

Here! Here!... IthinkThereforeIAM Apr 2015 #32

water issues are the way to stop this wordpix Apr 2015 #3

Ok, I know this is nit-picky, however mimi85 Apr 2015 #16

lah haw yuh, not lah holl uh bananas Apr 2015 #23

It is "la hoya" not "la holla" n/t cosmicone Apr 2015 #39

Really nit picky considering it's the Spanish name for a Native American group. bluedigger Apr 2015 #41

+10000 Thank you! n/t Tanuki Apr 2015 #60

I stand corrected but it was late at night & yes, you've nit-picked wordpix Apr 2015 #77

SIGN THIS PETITION MBS Apr 2015 #4

Signed and passed on n/t PasadenaTrudy Apr 2015 #15

Thanks!! n/t MBS Apr 2015 #38

Thank you, MBS. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #49

Signed! burrowowl Apr 2015 #50

This Seems So Wrong colsohlibgal Apr 2015 #5

Is that a new thing? The2ndWheel Apr 2015 #7

you also build an economy on tourism & if you wreck what people come for wordpix Apr 2015 #11

It's 5 miles away from the actual Grand Canyon yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #18

Don't you bring facts into this! Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2015 #34

well the alleged "5 mi. away" is not a fact in that article wordpix Apr 2015 #80

That was not in the article and even if it was wordpix Apr 2015 #78

This is not why people tour the grand canyon - asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #8

I love it when white people try to tell the indigenous populations of the world Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2015 #37

The Navajo Nation knows very well asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #62

I have worked with a lot of American Indian Bands and Canadian First Nations Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2015 #64

Economic development - okay - just not a asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #70

Why not? the Hualapai already built an airport there Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2015 #71

Lastly - water - water - water asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #72

The issue in Canada really isn't the pipelines Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2015 #73

would be an epic disaster of heat deaths when power/air conditioning goes out Sunlei Apr 2015 #9

Actually, its a gread idea. Suppose you are at the edge of the canyon and it gets cold. Hoppy Apr 2015 #10

Makes sense ripcord Apr 2015 #67

"...providing easy access to both a fragile ecosystem..." CrispyQ Apr 2015 #12

This sounds like something Liberalagogo Apr 2015 #22

Next, we'll find out that a conglomerate of the richest waste management companies in the country aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2015 #24

I think that idea has already been floated. -none Apr 2015 #42

In the age of online shopping, why do we need another mall? Crowman1979 Apr 2015 #25

When Dominos can deliver a pizza by drone ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2015 #27

If we put a roof over the top of it we could turn the whole canyon into a mall tularetom Apr 2015 #26

Don't the native peoples have dominion over their land? What little they've left, that is? MADem Apr 2015 #28

So much for the Republicans being against obscenity DFW Apr 2015 #29

The GC is a federal park. former9thward Apr 2015 #44

Not all of it jberryhill Apr 2015 #54

Then people should not be complaining about it. former9thward Apr 2015 #56

Makes me wonder how many of the Navajo nation are really for this. Cannot believe it is a majority. jwirr Apr 2015 #31

there is divided opinion among the Navajo MBS Apr 2015 #45

Thank you. Was pretty sure that would be the situation. jwirr Apr 2015 #48

The Navajo own it as a tribe. former9thward Apr 2015 #47

perfect opportunity for natives to create a park they control wordpix Apr 2015 #82

Of course, next be will the Koch Bro's eyeing it as a "Land Fill". ProudProg2u Apr 2015 #36

or the 'pukes will pass an act making it a nuke waste depository wordpix Apr 2015 #83

I look at this differently cosmicone Apr 2015 #40

Interesting the difference in attitude between the Hawaiians stopping a non commercial telescope... Fumesucker Apr 2015 #43

here's a SECOND PETITION to sign: MBS Apr 2015 #46

I would hate to see something like this happen. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #51

Joni Mitchell says it best > YOHABLO Apr 2015 #52

Fitting davidpdx Apr 2015 #58

The Great Pyramids and Sphinx in Egypt: IcyPeas Apr 2015 #53

They must have bought out the fake Hard Rock Cafe jberryhill Apr 2015 #55

I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it davidpdx Apr 2015 #59

Absolutely nothing is sacred. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #57

sadly true in this country wordpix Apr 2015 #84

I love all of the whitesplaining to the Navajos about why they should not build this project, Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #61

It's quite a difference from the threads about the telescope in Hawaii. n/t tammywammy Apr 2015 #63

Completely distinguishable in terms of environmental impact jberryhill Apr 2015 #81

I was referring to tammywammy Apr 2015 #88

Please link to reliable polling of those groups on either question jberryhill Apr 2015 #89

It reminds me of the people who fetishize subsistence farming for the developing world Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2015 #65

"Why are they not listening to the Zuni tribes, the Hopi tribes and us, our Navajo people," Zorra Apr 2015 #68

I usually agree with ya romanic Apr 2015 #69

I hope the Navajos will control the land instead of handing it to corporate Mallmerica wordpix Apr 2015 #86

if they control the land should not they control the land dembotoz Apr 2015 #74

well there are many ways the land can support them without a mall wordpix Apr 2015 #87