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17. I couldn't disagree more. Obama never tried to mislead on single payer. He has said since 2004

Fri Apr 24, 2015, 04:42 PM

Apr 2015

that he supports the idea of single payer but it won't work with the system we have. It was the right that pushed the single payer meme. They continually reported that ACA would lead to single payer. BTW, the ACA has provisions that allow each state to become single payer. Guess what? The one state that tried to make that happen couldn't based on cost. So if you don't have single payer, don't blame Obama. If anything, blame your state reps.

The idea that the TPP should be released for public consumption before even being finalized is ridiculous. Obama just handed Warren her lying ass on this and it will be a while before she lives it down. I realize it was a fund raising letter, but she has lost all credibility as the truth-teller in the Senate. That is what is really sad.

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Obama Fires Back At Warren, Liberals Over 'Dishonest' Attacks On Trade Deal [View all] DonViejo Apr 2015 OP

Is he being deliberately dishonest? The deal is a secret from US! That's the point. arcane1 Apr 2015 #1

.... DonViejo Apr 2015 #4

You'd think republicans would be 100% against "the most progressive trade agreement in our history" arcane1 Apr 2015 #6

Denial tends to get one nowhere CountAllVotes Apr 2015 #7

Obama is lying Thespian2 Apr 2015 #9

Why don't you check how many have won? ZERO. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #28

Here's how it works... Thespian2 Apr 2015 #59

None of these free trade agreements are worth a damn. Big_Mike Apr 2015 #55

No, President Obama isn't lying. Elizabeth Warren is lying. Cha Apr 2015 #63

He is the who is being absolutely disingenuous. olegramps Apr 2015 #37

Elizabeth Warren said congress can't TALK ABOUT what they saw in the TPP whathehell Apr 2015 #39

Fine Pres Obama can give the text of the deal in progress to the press, stop the naysayers BUT peacebird Apr 2015 #2

Agreed. Note to PBO "Publish it now." Vincardog Apr 2015 #8

Before the final negotiations take place? He should publish something that, when changed, will be okaawhatever Apr 2015 #11

How about marking it DRAFT? Just the investor dispute resolution part. Vincardog Apr 2015 #13

How about waiting until we know what it actually says and deal with FACTS. The only people who okaawhatever Apr 2015 #14

You want us to wait for 5 years after it becomes law to read it? That is when the dispute "Court" Vincardog Apr 2015 #19

That is absolut.b.s.. I don't know where you're getting your info. The bill has 90 days okaawhatever Apr 2015 #20

Fast track = no debate no amendment. Your path is capitulation. Vincardog Apr 2015 #23

.... DonViejo Apr 2015 #25

Words are CHEAP. Vincardog Apr 2015 #29

So is rhetoric... DonViejo Apr 2015 #33

By then it will be too late. Vincardog Apr 2015 #36

Sorry, I disagree... DonViejo Apr 2015 #38

You're wrong. The text won't be released until after fast track is passed. No changes will GoneFishin Apr 2015 #58

They get their soundbytes from the ignorant shite that's being thrown about and spread it like Cha Apr 2015 #65

Fast track does not mean no debate. They will have plenty of time to debate. What they can't do is okaawhatever Apr 2015 #26

It's amazing that we ever pass any treaty at all. IF this POS can't withstand the light of day Vincardog Apr 2015 #31

Oh please. Let's deal with the truth here. The truth is this bill will see the light of day. Why are okaawhatever Apr 2015 #40

I find your argument to be disingenuous Vincardog Apr 2015 #41

You are not properly informed. olegramps Apr 2015 #42

Ah horseshit. JoeyT Apr 2015 #60

Transparency Plucketeer Apr 2015 #3

Paul Ryan is in agreement with the Prez re TPP asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #5

II'll bet he is! CountAllVotes Apr 2015 #10

Oh, he is soooo clever salib Apr 2015 #12

I couldn't disagree more. Obama never tried to mislead on single payer. He has said since 2004 okaawhatever Apr 2015 #17

Why shouldn't the public get to read and comment on the drafts of the agreement? candelista Apr 2015 #21

Because any agreement between 12 countries with 28 working groups will never be agreeable okaawhatever Apr 2015 #24

Your answer makes no sense. Beauregard Apr 2015 #44

No, our democratic process involves elected representation. You comment however you'd like. For okaawhatever Apr 2015 #46

That's a bullshit manipulation tactic. If it was a good deal there would be no need to hide it until GoneFishin Apr 2015 #56

Keep parsing and parsing salib Apr 2015 #35

+1. Definitely sounds desperate. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #57

Sorry, but you are totally misinformed. olegramps Apr 2015 #43

Oh, THAT's informative! :) Beauregard Apr 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author olegramps Apr 2015 #49

I was not responding to you but to the post at #20 olegramps Apr 2015 #50

Well, I was responding to you. Beauregard Apr 2015 #53

actually he was informing the poster that his info was inadequate! n/t wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #61

I am sorry that your comprehension is seemingly unable to grasp the clear statements. olegramps Apr 2015 #67

You are soooo wrong. I guess the cheap ignorant pot shots aren't having an impact. Cha Apr 2015 #64

Hmmm... First Senator Warren was wrong and now she is dishonest... Wasn't Shakespear that said diabeticman Apr 2015 #15

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7xgd2l0up1qbfpl4o1_500.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #16

Yes and Elizabeth Warren should stop telling them. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #27

He really hates liberals. too bad. They were ready to walk through fire for him in Jan 2009 Doctor_J Apr 2015 #18

Obama hates me? Nah, he doesnt. He is a center left American politician. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #30

"Dishonest"? That's an unfortunate choice of words. candelista Apr 2015 #22

Like I said the other day-- Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #51

Interesting post. candelista Apr 2015 #66

Joint media conference: Obama and Warren. No time limits. mahannah Apr 2015 #32

No gloves davidpdx Apr 2015 #54

He's fighting harder against Democrats on this than he ever did against Republican on the ACA. EEO Apr 2015 #34

He needs Rahm back to tell us how retarded we are. PassingFair Apr 2015 #47

Why can't I pull this up on line? sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #48

" walk over and see the text of the agreement." Optical.Catalyst Apr 2015 #52

there is an easy and obvious solution to this issue.... mike_c Apr 2015 #62

He's losing me on this. romanic Apr 2015 #68