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88. Here in the chambers of DU Mr President - all I ask

Sat Apr 25, 2015, 11:13 AM

Apr 2015

is the ability to read the articles within the agreement before I sign the papers..just like a real estate transaction, or purchasing an auto, or reading the label of a product before I buy it. I hope you can agree, you would want the same.

Stop making us look around corners for answers, or under stones. The real culprit to all the angst against this TPP agreement is that we have been left to ASSume, and those who were affected by NAFTA have picked up the reigns - and I would expect nothing less of them..they have been hurt....

My family is Union all the way...we don't need anymore attacks than we already have right now....we (our family) will give you the room you need, but, you need to give us the information..wehave trusted your judgement thus far--at least we still have an up and down vote...yea or nay....because we sent representatives to congress to do the most good for the most people (tongue in cheek folk's)

Thank you Mr. President for all that you have done, against all odds..let this be the best part of your legacy...not an agreement that will leave you with NO legacy.....

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Weekly Address: Fighting for Trade Deals that Put American Workers First [View all] cal04 Apr 2015 OP

I call BS. If corporations can hire H1 B workers for 1/3 or 1/2 my salary then they will. peacebird Apr 2015 #1

How is the issue with companies using H1 B workers related to a trade deal though? cstanleytech Apr 2015 #5

It is not related much. Just a chance to vent against Obama for the perceived errors of past Presidents? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #34

H1b visas will probably be unnecessary under this treaty. Beauregard Apr 2015 #181

Companies using trade deal NAFTA-How 800,000 H-1B Workers Came to the U.S. midnight Apr 2015 #58

What a Bunch of Crap liberalmike27 Apr 2015 #87

Well put liberal Mike. n/t fasttense Apr 2015 #140

Your numbers are a bunch of crap. We have never even had 47 million manufacturing jobs in this okaawhatever Apr 2015 #142

Thank Bill and Hillary Clinton for that, peacebird. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #103

Exactly. peacebird Apr 2015 #126

Exactly..One can't even get a freaking call center job here anymore whathehell Apr 2015 #127

Remember when Obama said he was "against" Citizens United??? blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #147

LOL.. whathehell Apr 2015 #149

Bullshit. GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #2

Right now, I do believe that it puts Americans first.. graegoyle Apr 2015 #10

No, the recovery has gone to those who hold stocks. The recovery has so far mostly shown up in the okaawhatever Apr 2015 #144

I'm afraid I can no longer trust Obama on anything. Scuba Apr 2015 #3

Then why be here? If you cannot trust this President enough to wait to read the final msanthrope Apr 2015 #8

The fight against people like you. Scuba Apr 2015 #9

You mean Democrats who work voter protection with every election and exhort other msanthrope Apr 2015 #21

"Why are you here, again?", is an excellent question......seeking and accepting only perfection in Obama? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #41

I don't expect perfection 840high Apr 2015 #52

And what has Obama done to convince your over 7 years of Democratic Presidency that he does not care? Was it the ACA? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #56

You must be joking --This isn't "Obama Underground", it's "Democratic Underground". whathehell Apr 2015 #61

As a British Subject, the same question could be asked of you. Beauregard Apr 2015 #182

What is this "Why are you here?" stuff? Beauregard Apr 2015 #68

It's the swooner contingent. PSPS Apr 2015 #118

gawd I am fucking SICK of them Skittles Apr 2015 #173

Obama said we should hold his feet to the fire. antiquie Apr 2015 #27

Especially when so many of the Democrats in Congress are fighting him on this issue. stillwaiting Apr 2015 #33

Well......did we have the congressional votes for public option? No. msanthrope Apr 2015 #39

Public option passed the House. antiquie Apr 2015 #54

WTF Skittles Apr 2015 #172

Good Response Thespian2 Apr 2015 #29

Obama's Corporate masters? You made me laugh! The Consumer Protection Bureau made corporations laugh hard also! Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #43

You live in the UK -- Are you even eligible to vote? whathehell Apr 2015 #62

Welcome to my Ignore List, number 29, been a while since I added anyone. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #65

Wow! You ignore 29 people? That's a lot! Beauregard Apr 2015 #71

Yes, that's easier than answering that question, isn't it? whathehell Apr 2015 #73

Thanks, Fred Thespian2 Apr 2015 #122

it is a badge of honor for critical thinkers Skittles Apr 2015 #174

I just asked her if she were trying to "shame" you because you're in the UK. I don't see them Cha Apr 2015 #159

Seriously? Let's have more thinking and less chopping. procon Apr 2015 #101

Seriously. whathehell Apr 2015 #116

Everyone's opinion is equal, and everyone is welcome, procon Apr 2015 #129

Sez you whathehell Apr 2015 #134

Does someone have to be a member procon Apr 2015 #135

"False barriers"? whathehell Apr 2015 #137

I've never had a problem, so I can't speak to your angst. nt procon Apr 2015 #138

You're probably never whathehell Apr 2015 #139

Actually, my family lived in Europe for over a decade. procon Apr 2015 #141

That's nice. I've also lived there, made friends there, visited several whathehell Apr 2015 #143

Your assumption didn't bother me as much procon Apr 2015 #145

That's nice.. whathehell Apr 2015 #148

If you honestly think that what happens here doesn't have procon Apr 2015 #152

Um, I never said that, either honestly or dishonestly whathehell Apr 2015 #153

You've moved the goal posts. procon Apr 2015 #155

I think that just means you don't have a pithy retort for me, but whatever whathehell Apr 2015 #160

I live in Canada. Thespian2 Apr 2015 #121

That's nice. I'm eligible for Dual citizenship myself, and I know the "rules" for most dual citizens whathehell Apr 2015 #123

What does that have to do with the OP? Are you trying to shame Fred because he's from the UK? Cha Apr 2015 #158

Cha, are you so arrogant as to lecture a foreign country about their domestic policies? whathehell Apr 2015 #161

I don't think he's being "arrogant".. there are plenty of posters here who bash Pres Obama Cha Apr 2015 #162

Good for you.. whathehell Apr 2015 #164

Sorry, I forgot to include.. plenty of "posters here from other countries" who bash President Obama Cha Apr 2015 #165

I don't care if you "whine" about them or not.. whathehell Apr 2015 #167

I don't really care if you "whine" about them or not.. bc Fred is here to stay.. Cha Apr 2015 #168

+1 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #156

Of course not! What has he DONE for 7 years to earn TRUST? Obviously nothing, right? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #36

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #70

He's got you on ignore. I'll ask him. Beauregard Apr 2015 #76

It seems someone should, given the ferocity of his opinions. whathehell Apr 2015 #79

Fred, are you really a British subject? Beauregard Apr 2015 #77

Ignore List number 30..... Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #78

Gosh, not much of an answer. But OK. Beauregard Apr 2015 #80

I think you can take that as a "yes" whathehell Apr 2015 #100

That's a wrong-headed sentiment... I disagree with Pres. Obama on this issue but support him on most groundloop Apr 2015 #108

You've got it backwards. Scuba Apr 2015 #179

I trust this President enough to hold off dismissing the TPP until it's final and I get a chance to msanthrope Apr 2015 #4

the republicons are uncharacteristically silent and the Chamber of Commerce loves it corkhead Apr 2015 #12

Or maybe they are being smart enough to stand back msanthrope Apr 2015 #17

Will we be able to read it before TPA? shawn703 Apr 2015 #20

I don't want the TPP subject to amendment. I'd rather go with environmental msanthrope Apr 2015 #22

Why not subject to filibuster? shawn703 Apr 2015 #23

Good response - stopped the TPP cheerleader cold! Divernan Apr 2015 #24

sellout mtasselin Apr 2015 #6

Have you considered reading the TPP before forming an opinion on it? I may go against the TPP, msanthrope Apr 2015 #7

The old "don't get upset until it happens" defense? How pathetic! Divernan Apr 2015 #31

every member of Congress can read the TPP right now. msanthrope Apr 2015 #37

They can only read the current bill, which can be changed at the very last moment. Divernan Apr 2015 #42

Okay--here's the problem with your claim---it's not a bill. It's a trade agreement right now. msanthrope Apr 2015 #97

Exactly. Very similar to the 6 nation Iran nuclear agreement, if not procedurally identical. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #99

House members don't have much time to read it. amandabeech Apr 2015 #109

Obama understands it....and despite all the shrill crying otherwise Obama at the table is good. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #110

It can't be changed. Only an up or down vote is allowed. procon Apr 2015 #114

By the time you get to read it, pangaia Apr 2015 #35

60 days. I can handle that. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #38

LOL MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #47

Too true. pangaia Apr 2015 #86

Were you making a point there? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #94

It's Been My Experience liberalmike27 Apr 2015 #90

Because it's not finalized. And trade agreements rest with the Executive. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #91

Senator Brown introduced over 80 amendments...so of course you are right. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #96

Fred, did he introduce amendments to Fast Track, or TPP? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #98

Would have to be to just the Fast Track legislation because he is without power to amend a trade agreement. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #104

80 amendments? Sort of makes the case for fast track. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #106

Yes, if they allowed it. Liz Warren read it but said she isn't allowed to talk about it whathehell Apr 2015 #120

It's been available to every member of Congress for a while now---Grayson read it last year. msanthrope Apr 2015 #124

Right, and Grayson is being gagged too -- Why is it "classified" if it's truly a trade deal? whathehell Apr 2015 #125

Because currency manipulation, counterfeiting, and drug supply are national msanthrope Apr 2015 #128

Currency manipulation was never stated as part of the TPP whathehell Apr 2015 #130

It's called representative democracy. Take it up with the Founders, who vested this msanthrope Apr 2015 #131

Try again with a real answer whathehell Apr 2015 #133

It actually is the real answer....And if you study basic civics, and FDR's msanthrope Apr 2015 #150

Then you have my condolences.. whathehell Apr 2015 #154

+1. nt Beauregard Apr 2015 #180

Big business is for it.. sendero Apr 2015 #11

It's predicted to be a near zero-sum game in nearly all signatory countries Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #14

Real FACTS and real EXPERTS and the ACTUAL document? What are you, a liberal?? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #44

Psst, you missed the 'rich get richer, poor get poorer' part of his comment. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #81

Didn't miss it, I just do not believe in judging all the positions of a person by (mis)judging one. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #83

Blah, blah, blah... Red Oak Apr 2015 #13

Welcome to DU - I like the way you think! Divernan Apr 2015 #26

You mean the new poster thinking in error - because China is not part of the TPP? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #45

His/her point was raising the question re "retraining of American workers" Divernan Apr 2015 #49

"Blah, blah, blah" is a point? China? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #50

From President Barack Obama Red Oak Apr 2015 #171

That's exactly what I thought about "re-training of American workers!" amandabeech Apr 2015 #113

Good question: "Big business was involved in drafting this, but why not AFL-CIO"? whathehell Apr 2015 #136

Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #15

"Bushama" JTFrog Apr 2015 #63

Interesting that this deal is so important to him malthaussen Apr 2015 #16

Post presidential ambitions for board appointments/consultancies/etc. Divernan Apr 2015 #28

Yes...that's the main income for ex-Presidents. It's not like they go out and get a job. n/t libdem4life Apr 2015 #32

He could always start a boutique "non-profit" family foundation, Divernan Apr 2015 #40

Kind of like a divorce...he wants to continue in the manner has become accustomed. And that ain't libdem4life Apr 2015 #57

BS alert. 4dsc Apr 2015 #18

Thanks for your weekly posting! BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #19

I'm from Michigan originally, and JOBS is my big issue. amandabeech Apr 2015 #115

No one is denying that "jobs" are a big issue BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #132

anybody that claims that workers on either of Pacific are anything other than an afterthought KG Apr 2015 #25

Until I can read the agreement I'm not taking anyone's word snappyturtle Apr 2015 #30

What is this "transparency" of which you speak? Divernan Apr 2015 #46

Your reporters you "happen" to be "close to" - are from Fox? Same meme Fox often spews. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #48

NPR/Sigma Delta Chi award winners from Society of Professional Journalists Divernan Apr 2015 #51

Funny, I do not remember seeing you there. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #55

No, my nametag had my real name, not "Divernan/DU" Divernan Apr 2015 #59

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #53

Wait... JTFrog Apr 2015 #60

I googled Obama FOIA/link refers further to USA Today Divernan Apr 2015 #64

All that yelling doesn't impress me. JTFrog Apr 2015 #66

NOR THE FACT OBAMA HAS SCRAPPED FREEDOM OF INFORMATION FROM THE WHITE HOUSE Divernan Apr 2015 #72

You are getting close to the heart...... Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #74

That's not even kind of what happened here. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #84

The right wing media had a hayday with it though, remember? Funny how someone brought it up. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #85

Again.. mahalo JTFrog.. this time for calling out RW sources that duers are only too happy to post Cha Apr 2015 #166

Been shaking my head a lot lately. JTFrog Apr 2015 #169

Does it smell like 2010 with ACA Cha Apr 2015 #176

Exactly fasttense Apr 2015 #105

Labor groups marched against TPP in D.C. last Monday Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #175

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #67

Wow. This thread sure is bringing out the name callers. JTFrog Apr 2015 #69

The thing is, when Obama speaks, speaks, not jabbers, and destroys all the propaganda and disinformation...again....it hurts. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #75

Hard to believe that it still shocks me to see just how far JTFrog Apr 2015 #82

Fred, a trade agreement like the TPP is coming to Europe which is much closer to you whathehell Apr 2015 #119

Oh wow.. that was a butt ugly rwanker talking point.. and fucking racist to boot! Thank JTfrog for Cha Apr 2015 #163

I've been trying to lay low... JTFrog Apr 2015 #170

Please don't Cha Apr 2015 #177

Here in the chambers of DU Mr President - all I ask asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #88

Your Concern, new poster, is noted....very, very concerned about Obama's entire "legacy" because of a trade deal, are we? Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #89

Look Fred, did ya' read the whole thoughtful message asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #93

Don't worry about Obama. Worry about Hillary Clinton. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #112

Its for the wealthiest among us tomsaiditagain Apr 2015 #92

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #95

Hi there, Tilly2020! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #102

Looks like she left already.... Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #107

Dang! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #111

I admit it gives me pause. Why I still hold a lick of trust is beyond me. raouldukelives Apr 2015 #117

http://www.exboyfriendrecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/you-lie.png blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #146

I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Support Obama On TPP - The 1% Need Even More Wealth cantbeserious Apr 2015 #151

I absolutely trust President Obama over those calling "bullshite".. I've seen that crap for 7 years Cha Apr 2015 #157

America First, sounds a bit nationalistic for me. America Counts, seems OK, though. Hoyt Apr 2015 #178