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73. Yes, a negotiation involving 330 million participants....

Reply to Sgt Preston (Reply #71)

Fri May 8, 2015, 06:47 PM

May 2015

....would be really practical and effective.

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Obama says trade deal lets US write the rules, not China [View all] Beauregard May 2015 OP

fine prove it by showing us the agreement, Obama hollysmom May 2015 #1

No, dearest friend, it's a secret. Beauregard May 2015 #3

There is no agreement. AZ Mike May 2015 #30

There are proposals, but we are not allowed to see them. Sgt Preston May 2015 #62

Well, we're not structurally a true democracy. AZ Mike May 2015 #68

What a complete shuck. Sgt Preston May 2015 #71

Yes, a negotiation involving 330 million participants.... AZ Mike May 2015 #73

Straw man. Beauregard May 2015 #80

And yet it's those 330 million that are affected rock May 2015 #102

The worst aspect is the Investor-State Dispute Settlement clause. olegramps May 2015 #41

+1. nt Sgt Preston May 2015 #61

The USA has never lost an ISDS case. joshcryer May 2015 #69

I didn't say that the U.S. lost any cases. olegramps May 2015 #70

No, but you think the USA would. joshcryer May 2015 #74

That is not what I understand would happen with this trade agreement. olegramps May 2015 #98

Exactly, but the arbitration will be in ICSID. joshcryer May 2015 #115

Be careful about conflating America winning ISDS cases FarrenH May 2015 #99

But Warren doesn't argue that. joshcryer May 2015 #114

You have any examples of USA losing an ISDS dispute, resulting in a "disaster," under NAFTA. Hoyt May 2015 #78

There is no agreement, yet, Hollysmom. nt tridim May 2015 #48

LOL :) Sgt Preston May 2015 #63

I trust Bernie & Elizabeth on this one much more than Obama peacebird May 2015 #2

Agree ananda May 2015 #4

And Grayson and Reich too! arcane1 May 2015 #14

Why do you not trust Obama? tridim May 2015 #49

Because a majority of R's in Congress like TPP, Grayson/Warren/Sanders & Robert Reich hate it peacebird May 2015 #59

:) Beauregard May 2015 #81

Because his education policies undermine public education ibegurpard May 2015 #113

Stop it, Obama. lark May 2015 #5

Lets the corporations write the rules. I don't think we workers are included in the "us". djean111 May 2015 #6

The key phrase there is "up to." subterranean May 2015 #24

and it could take up to 10+ years to accomplish even that frylock May 2015 #66

Pbbbbbbbbbbbbbb! Demeter May 2015 #7

Fuckin A SamKnause May 2015 #26

TY, I needed that laugh. mother earth May 2015 #89

Obama is right again. Hoyt May 2015 #8

You mean, as opposed to left? Demeter May 2015 #10

Thanks for sharing! Would you care to elaborate? Beauregard May 2015 #11

His comment is self explanatory, even if folks are too myopic to see it. Hoyt May 2015 #15

" Obama says, 'Some of my dearest friends are wrong. They're just wrong.' " StandingInLeftField May 2015 #18

No, he said China will write the rules if we don't . Not only are some of his friends wrong, Hoyt May 2015 #20

Saying "They're wrong" is a content-free statement. arcane1 May 2015 #19

Seems obvious to me. We aren't going to progress trading among ourselves, unless we change Hoyt May 2015 #21

We're not "trading among ourselves" right now. You're making that up. arcane1 May 2015 #29

Then why oppose a trade agreement hat improves on the way things are done now? Hoyt May 2015 #39

Because there is zero evidence that this is true. arcane1 May 2015 #44

You are right, just because you said so is not good enough. Hoyt May 2015 #45

The burden of proof is on Obama, to prove this deal is different than the others. arcane1 May 2015 #46

That's bull. Don't have time to try explaining complicated issues to you, neither does Obama. Hoyt May 2015 #51

You spend a lot of time on DU. So you have plenty of time. Let's see it one day. stillwaiting May 2015 #52

In other words, you lost the argument. arcane1 May 2015 #54

Nope. You've done nothing but say we don't need to try to influence trade among the 11 countries. Hoyt May 2015 #56

Don't have the ability to try explaining complicated issues to you.. frylock May 2015 #67

WTF are you talking about? Trajan May 2015 #36

Read about a Scandanavian country like Denmark. Hoyt May 2015 #53

We already trade billions worth of goods among the 11 countries in the treaty. jeff47 May 2015 #37

New markets for our capital mean new money for safety nets if we tax them Hoyt May 2015 #40

:rofl: jeff47 May 2015 #42

I'd rather have the money to tax when we cone to our senses, than hamstring us from benefitting Hoyt May 2015 #43

How, exactly, do you propose to tax a foreign company? jeff47 May 2015 #47

Difficult to post to obtuse people.. These are multinational companies. Hoyt May 2015 #64

Guess what? Other countries actually buy goods! jeff47 May 2015 #105

LOL...you want to use Nike? The company selling shoes pipoman May 2015 #112

You can tax the US investor. Sgt Preston May 2015 #72

Nope. He leaves the money in Vietnam. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #104

You don't get it, most of the nikes are sold here and Nike is a US corporation. Hoyt May 2015 #110

Whose "capital"? "Our" capital? Sgt Preston May 2015 #60

Yes, we know. The leader is always right. Jack Rabbit May 2015 #33

I don't think so Geronimoe May 2015 #9

Exactly... sendero May 2015 #90

Is this the same China we have VOLUNTARILY sent thousands of jobs to? arcane1 May 2015 #12

Not really. It's the China that we voluntarily sent MILLIONS of jobs to. hedda_foil May 2015 #50

CORRECTION: It lets *Corporate America* write the rules. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #13

Bingo. CharlotteVale May 2015 #17

Yep Punx May 2015 #32

The US Trade Rep is a career diplomat. Hoyt May 2015 #91

I'm fairly certain that the Chinese StandingInLeftField May 2015 #16

China isn't in the TPP. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #38

Interesting. Who shall I believe Bernie, Liz or Obama? Autumn May 2015 #22

Alan Grayson SamKnause May 2015 #28

Let me clarify . . . Roy Rolling May 2015 #23

We can trust them . . . Roy Rolling May 2015 #27

You are lying. SamKnause May 2015 #25

Facts matter, don't they? Or are we just the other side of the same coin. yallerdawg May 2015 #31

Max Baucus? You're actually quoting the repellent Max Baucus here on DU? hedda_foil May 2015 #55

Sometimes I feel lost. yallerdawg May 2015 #57

Different JayNev May 2015 #87

Will everyone disappear if we have a Republican president? yallerdawg May 2015 #88

I guess all those Democrats in Congress that don't support the TPP also hate Obama neverforget May 2015 #108

Logic? yallerdawg May 2015 #109

delusional. Locrian May 2015 #34

"Race to the bottom" Beauregard May 2015 #82

China is going to play by it's own rules regardless Punx May 2015 #35

breaking: Obama calls for cancellation of H1B visa program lol sorry, "dear friends" I was wrong nt msongs May 2015 #58

We don't confront China on their currency manipulation. wolfie001 May 2015 #65

Bullshit, Mr. President... elzenmahn May 2015 #75

Ugh...I love ya Barack, but this is not good. Who is we, by the way. Nike? randys1 May 2015 #76

I like him, too. I mean, I'm not ashamed of him like Bush. Beauregard May 2015 #83

Does he know that China is listening? Renew Deal May 2015 #77

1: China already has our jobs. 2: The enemy is global fascism (aka, Corporatism) not China 3. Kip Humphrey May 2015 #79

Reality JayNev May 2015 #84

There are also his political debts to past donors. Beauregard May 2015 #85

What upsets me the most... elzenmahn May 2015 #92

Name calling won't help... JayNev May 2015 #111

With all due respect... elzenmahn May 2015 #116

Trade pacts are supposed to be agreements among equals daleo May 2015 #86

But, Wah! I trust the President. This trade agreement will be shown before the vote.. but, that Cha May 2015 #93

And he STILL offers no specifics. Just general platitudes that it's good. Kablooie May 2015 #94

Clearly this thing is more about hindering China's influence in the region... DCBob May 2015 #95

More like CORPORATIONS are writing the trade deals with rules that benefit them over global law. mother earth May 2015 #96

Laughable really...nt Jesus Malverde May 2015 #97

I know a little about the President's priorities goldent May 2015 #100

So the other potential members of TPP have no say? GeorgeGist May 2015 #101

Everyone's "say" will be proportional to their capital. candelista May 2015 #103

I'm highly skeptical Bradical79 May 2015 #106

How about some specifics? moondust May 2015 #107