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happyslug

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58. The names of people and things change over time, but their intention is to define people or things
Tue May 19, 2015, 03:32 PM
May 2015

Prior to the 1950s the preferred words for African Americas was "Colored", thus the National Association of Colored People (NAACP) uses the term Colored in their name (Martin Luther King used the term "Colored" in several of his speeches in the 1950s and 1960s).

Starting in the 1950s and becoming the dominate by the early 1970s, "Black" replaced "Colored". Most of this movement was self identification for the term "Colored" originally meant someone who had genes from not only other African Americans but from the White population. In the 1800s it was common to place "Colored" above "Blacks" for it was assumed the white blood made the "Colored" a smarter person then someone without those genes.

By the 1960s this division within the African American Community was seen as self defeating. How can you fight for equal rights when lighter skin African Americans saw themselves as "better" then darker skin African Americans? The answer is you could not, so the term "Black" became the preferred word replacing "Colored" almost completely.

Starting in the 1990s several African Americans Commentators noted the use of Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans etc among ethnic whites and said that the term "African-American" was a more accurate term then "Black" for "African Americans". Do Irish-Americans or Polish-Americans etc what to go back "home"? The Answer is NO for their home is the USA. The same with African Americans, they are proud of their African Roots but their home is in the USA, thus the term "African American" has slowly replaced "Black" (Through NOT as quickly as "Black" had replaced "Colored&quot .

The same with Native Americans, they are Americans not people from India (or the East Indies, or where ever Columbus thought he was when he named them). Indian is a poor name, it has with it confusion with India/East Indies AND bad connotations from all of the old stories of the Westward movement of White Americans. Thus a better word was needed and using each tribe own name was not a real option for they knew they needed a name to show who they were but that they were also Americans.

It took them a while and the various variation of the term "Native Americans" (First Americans, etc) before an universal accepted name could be "adopted" (Adopted not in some formal adoption but its wide spread use instead of "Indian&quot . Like African Americans (And its variation, Afro-Americans etc) it is still in the process of being adopted.

As to whites claiming to be "Native Americans" we do not have to make such a claim, we are still the Dominate group in the USA and even if present trends continue (and they will not) we will still be the single largest minority in the USA even as the percentage of whites drop below 50% of the population by 2050. All we have to say we are "Americans" and people know who we are, i.e. WHITE AMERICANS. We do NOT need to be known as "Native Americans", it is a term we do not need.

On the other hand "Native Americans" is easy to see applies to people who are NOT "Americans" (defined as "White Americas&quot . They still see themselves as part of the USA but they are the descendants of the people who were already here in 1492 as oppose to us White Americans who rarely can trace ourselves back to 1607 (and are NOT brought in to do heavy labor as was the case with African Americans).

First Nations is a good option, but Nation of what? I like Native Americans for it shows that they are AMERICANS (As good as any White American) but also are NOT white Americans. I maintain the same with the Polish-Americans, Irish-Americans, German-Americans, Mexican-Americans etc. they are all Americans and the use of the word America in the Ethnic Name shows they are one with this Nation we call the USA.

That they are NOT White Americans is shown by the Ethnicity. That background has some affect on how they see themselves as Americans and we have to accept that for many of these "Ethnic" Americans were NOT treated that well by "White Americans". That we are working together to solve the problems caused by that pass mistreatment is a sign this country is addressing its ethnic problems.

On the other hand doing an attack on a term because you want to say you are under that term, even if by nature of the term you would NEVER have used it yourself is something else (i.e. you are still holding the position, maybe only on the subconscious level, that the only real Americans are White Americans). As a fellow White American I take affront to that assumption, Native American is a good term, it better defines that group then "Indians" or "American Indians".

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No one could call it "bling," for crissakes. No one sane, that is. What a shame. n/t Judi Lynn May 2015 #1
Self-important bigots. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #2
Feathers and beads on a graduation cap? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #12
Why not? To these Native Americans, the feather belonged on the headgear, pnwmom May 2015 #18
As usual, I agree with you very much! I just do not see the BFD over this. We are supposed to be a RKP5637 May 2015 #30
And Native Americans wear the feathers for ceremony. Many also have them in their homes. It is jwirr May 2015 #19
Maybe I'm picturing a more elaborate amount of feathers ??? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #21
Since eagle feathers are scare (they cannot be killed for their feathers) they usually only have one jwirr May 2015 #23
Good to know. TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #25
I know - she probably wore it dangling from the back down her back. jwirr May 2015 #27
well we are relieved that it is okay with you CreekDog May 2015 #54
Here are some photos of what some Native American students have wanted to wear. pnwmom May 2015 #61
It looks like most are just wearing the feather as part of the tassle. Lizzie Poppet May 2015 #80
For that matter, why should someone wear honor cords? historylovr May 2015 #45
what is the issue with minorities? CreekDog May 2015 #53
Everyone must be the same ya know newfie11 May 2015 #3
Not quite. They are being asked to adopt the customs of Western Europeans that the first jtuck004 May 2015 #5
I was being sarcastic newfie11 May 2015 #9
I should have picked up on that - it was late. <G>. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #40
Lol newfie11 May 2015 #41
Wow, I haven't seen someone use the <G> in YEARS! Reter May 2015 #79
"..I first went online in 1993" < You're welcome for the work we did to make it available.<G> n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #82
Very good point. The white establishment used to go so far as to steal Native children taking them jwirr May 2015 #22
If you search "bling on graduation caps" TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #26
Searched and you are right about the word. jwirr May 2015 #28
Yes the children were taken newfie11 May 2015 #42
We haven't really shelved that attitude either, just changed the skin color we are focusing on. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #46
Your so right. newfie11 May 2015 #74
The purpose of school is evidently to produce interchangeable parts for the machine. . . Journeyman May 2015 #4
You don't think much of public school education. TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #17
Not as practiced in that district. Plenty of districts are more flexible pnwmom May 2015 #20
I agree with Journeyman. It's part of the problem. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #39
I remember what Russel Means said about the purpose of schools. Fodder for the industrial machine. Autumn May 2015 #24
Yes he was! Nt newfie11 May 2015 #43
I like to use one instance to infer a conclusion also. LanternWaste May 2015 #47
“Nobody at school is going to tell a young lady not to wear a crucifix to her graduation,” progressoid May 2015 #6
Should she be allowed to dangle a prominent crucifix one from her cap? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #16
I've seen people write messages on the top of mortar boards progressoid May 2015 #38
Sometimes Not RobinA May 2015 #49
If any Texas school superintendent prohibited a student from wearing a prominent crucifix pnwmom May 2015 #62
Actually, there are quite a few Christians in Texas TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #70
Right, because they're bigoted against Catholics and Mexicans, too. So what would happen pnwmom May 2015 #73
WTF? Enthusiast May 2015 #7
So much power heaven05 May 2015 #8
++++++++++++++++++++nt newfie11 May 2015 #10
I grew up in SD turbinetree May 2015 #13
thank you heaven05 May 2015 #14
I buy from turbinetree May 2015 #77
Yep Pine Ridge has not improved since you were there sadly. newfie11 May 2015 #44
It has gotten turbinetree May 2015 #78
the dominant culture makes the rules but word got out Backwoodsrider May 2015 #36
I hope their protest results in a change of mind, this student's ancestors were here FIRST. secondwind May 2015 #11
Bigotry is truly a low state of mind/being. If bigots realized in a flash if a moment how utterly Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #15
Modern society -> alienation -> identity politics. Sgt Preston May 2015 #29
Just this past Friday night I attended the asiliveandbreathe May 2015 #31
The problem is where would this stop? happyslug May 2015 #32
So the scarves worn by Military veterans are off asiliveandbreathe May 2015 #33
So we have Military Veterans in High School??? happyslug May 2015 #57
If they were ROTC they would be able to wear that asiliveandbreathe May 2015 #72
The line has to be drawn somewhere Sobax May 2015 #35
One more way gypsy3 May 2015 #34
Welcome to DU - and thank you for your post asiliveandbreathe May 2015 #37
Native Americans RobinA May 2015 #48
"Native Americans"? Larry Engels May 2015 #50
Maybe you should audit a 1st or 2d grade class at your giftedgirl77 May 2015 #51
Thanks, giftedgirl, for your kind, informative answer. Anyone else want to try? Larry Engels May 2015 #52
Native American is a tag white Americans give to the indigenous people Cleita May 2015 #55
Thanks, Cleita. Larry Engels May 2015 #56
How do those terms get adapted for use by individual persons? A white person can't pnwmom May 2015 #63
I use First Nations or indigenous people myself. Cleita May 2015 #64
But how do you refer to an individual person who was born into a culture that pnwmom May 2015 #65
So use what you like. eom Cleita May 2015 #67
Interestingly, a lot of my First Nations acquaintances call themselves "Indians." Lizzie Poppet May 2015 #81
The names of people and things change over time, but their intention is to define people or things happyslug May 2015 #58
So many words, so little clarity. Larry Engels May 2015 #59
You troll poorly. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #60
Why don't you give him some tips? Beauregard May 2015 #66
Why is that exactly? giftedgirl77 May 2015 #68
Your post is an excellent example of what I mean. Beauregard May 2015 #69
Oh I'm happy, I just call bullshit when I see it. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #71
I'm putting you on "ignore." Sgt Preston May 2015 #75
Thanks for the heads up. giftedgirl77 May 2015 #76
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