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In reply to the discussion: Rand Paul Filibusters Patriot Act Renewal [View all]shockedcanadian
(751 posts)55. Well, how much is too much?
When you suggest "anti-coercion" ideology, what do you mean? Serious question, I'm fairly new to politics per se, and I am trying to wrap my mind around these candidates even though Im not an American nor can vote.
I listened to Bernie Sanders, and he appears Libertarian to me. He is a "pro individual" candidate, my cup of tea without looking at his other positions which I know nothing about. In 2008 I was rooting for Hillary because I respected her husbands leadership. As far as I can see, she has embraced Rand Paul to some extent, giving him credit for reaching across the aisle on important issues regarding justice, that in itself says a lot.
I won't lie, the NSA, FBI and CIA play a vital role in protecting America and hence Canada and I definitely support these institutions. However, I think it is counter intuitive to over reach and throw a net so broad, that as Rand Paul said that it is impossible to even find the need in the haystack because the haystack is so large. I am not sure how this Patriot Act falls in this continuum. Of course, if you have someone hell bent on harming the West they need to be monitored and their phone history and acquaintances looked at where needed, but if you go too far you lose your soul as a nation, the basis of your democracy.
Oh, I forgot to add, I tend to prefer America's "imperialist" thinking, better the USA than an enemy that doesn't even know what democracy is...
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I see some facts in the post. Where is the bashing? Did Bernie vote against the Patriot Act and did
sabrina 1
May 2015
#72
I agree with him also, obviously, since I am a Democrat and we were the ones who always opposed
sabrina 1
May 2015
#67
That accusation was leveled at me here on DU when I agreed with Paul on drones.
cui bono
May 2015
#25
Libertarians ARE kooky. They are also sometimes (albeit rarely) correct. n/t
MosheFeingold
May 2015
#43
there have been dems also against the patriot act, yet we "rally around" dumbass
Javaman
May 2015
#88
Sometimes, people from different ideological places can agree on something really important.
phleshdef
Jun 2015
#98
It's sad that Paul understands the 4th Amendment better than the "constitutional scholar."
PSPS
May 2015
#6
I hope he does what he did before, he voted against it. I am certain he will do so again.
sabrina 1
May 2015
#68
Agreed> I'm so old, I remember when opposition was the liberal position on this.
arcane1
May 2015
#19
Does this mean you don't support his efforts to fight the Patriot Act's renewal? n/t
RufusTFirefly
May 2015
#34
so either the Patriot Act must be defended because it's being attacked by a Pub,
MisterP
May 2015
#47
The difference between Paul and Sanders is this. Paul is right on this one issue, and good for him.
totodeinhere
May 2015
#48
There is a contingency of people on both sides of the aisle in this country who simply 'hate' anyone
sabrina 1
May 2015
#69
I know I'm supposed to hate Paul and everything he does, supports or stands for
tularetom
May 2015
#51
I agree with him something like five times in the last six years. I agree this time.
marble falls
May 2015
#57
I was hoping that Bernie's presents would pull our party to the left,
Deadbeat Republicans
May 2015
#82
I absolutely agree. I hope the stunt leaves the patriot act with a black eye?
Deadbeat Republicans
May 2015
#89
So Rand Paul hates surveillance so much, he's spent the past year blocking any meaningful reform
Blue_Tires
Jun 2015
#97