Judge’s ruling allows concealed-carry for D.C. gun owners, shoots down police objections

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17. You lot cry wolf whenever some place goes 'shall-issue', and have done so since at least 2007

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x696832

Relaxing concealed weapons laws would be disastrous!

When you apply statistics to Guns and violence, the pro gun arguments are laughable! Relaxing concealed weapons laws would lead to perhaps thousands more people dead a year...

And these fears were subsequently shown to be unfounded, while all along violent crime
and murder rates in the US declined:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x377269#377384

Locked and loaded: Concealed carry grows as critics’ fears of ‘bloodbath’ proven wrong


Published: Sunday, February 06, 2011 By TAYLOR DUNGJEN


“I think the consensus is that folks want them so they can, if they so desire, carry a concealed handgun to protect themselves, their loved ones or acquaintances,” Erie County Sheriff Capt. Paul Sigsworth said.

When the law first went into effect, opponents argued there would be more crime and weapons assaults. That has largely proven to not be the case, Lorain County Sheriff Phil Stammitti said.

“We haven’t had any big problems since the law took effect in 2004,” Stammitti said.

Sigsworth said Erie County hasn’t had any major problems either.

“We have had very few issues with the folks issued licenses through our agency,” Sigsworth said. “And the vast majority appear to be law abiding ...”

http://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20110206/locked-and-loaded-concealed-carry-grows-as-critics-fears-of-bloodbath-proven-wrong?viewmode=fullstory


And a nice bonus:


THE EDITOR'S COLUMN: Facts top feelings, change views on gun issues

Published: Sunday, February 06, 2011


AFTER reading through reporter Taylor Dungjen’s front page story today on the relatively trouble-free growth of concealed carry of handguns in Ohio, I have to admit I was wrong.

Back in 2004, when Ohio’s law allowing licensed concealed carry of handguns was adopted, I was among the opponents who thought it would make public shoot-outs common and fill the streets with blood.

As this newspaper’s Editorial Page editor in 2004, whenever I wrote a negative opinion piece about concealed carry, it got support from some readers who shared the same feeling, but it also got a flood of responses countering my arguments. The response from gun supporters was loud and spirited, to put it politely, and full of factual information. And the difference between opinion based on “feeling” and opinion based on fact, over time, made all the difference in changing my viewpoint.

The facts showed that concealed carry did not bring Ohio more crime, more bloodshed or a Wild West atmosphere. In fact, none of that has happened anywhere in the United States as legal concealed carry has become the rule rather than the exception in the state laws across the land.

Yes, in a perfect world, there would be no need for guns. But the world is not perfect, and never will be perfect. Two-legged predators will always be a threat to good citizens. The law forbids felons from possessing guns, but criminals ignore the law, so it is only proper that law-abiding people be allowed to possess and to carry a weapon if they meet the rules in the law.

http://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20110206/the-editors-column-facts-top-feelings-change-views-on-gun-issues?viewmode=fullstoryext

After that was posted in 2011, two more states (Wisconsin and Illinois) went shall issue-
and murder and violent crime rates continued to decline


I have a pretty good idea about what will "go wrong". DC residents will get permits and
the same sorts of things will happen that happened, oh, just about every place else
that's liberalized their gun control laws-and people will notice that crime and murder
didn't rise

And that would be bad for culture warriors- but good for everyone else...