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Fred Sanders

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7. Ever heard of the police tactic known as "The Mr. Big" sting?

Wed Jun 3, 2015, 11:01 AM

Jun 2015

How The FBI Created a Terrorist..and then arrested him.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/

"Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the FBI has arrested dozens of young men like Osmakac in controversial counterterrorism stings. One recent case involved a rudderless 20-year-old in Cincinnati, Ohio, named Christopher Cornell, who conspired with an FBI informant — seeking “favorable treatment” for his own “criminal exposure” — in a harebrained plot to build pipe bombs and attack Capitol Hill. And just last month, on February 25, the FBI arrested and charged two Brooklyn men for plotting, with the aid of a paid informant, to travel to Syria and join the Islamic State. The likelihood that the men would have stepped foot in Syria of their own accord seems low; only after they met the informant, who helped with travel applications and other hurdles, did their planning take shape."

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The harassment of Muslim youth by American officials is exactly what ISIS wants. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #1

And then there's the people who will take action to behead other people Schema Thing Jun 2015 #2

What entrapment? cosmicone Jun 2015 #5

Ever heard of the police tactic known as "The Mr. Big" sting? Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #7

That is not entrapment cosmicone Jun 2015 #24

It is if you're desperate d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #56

I don't believe that no matter how desperate one is cosmicone Jun 2015 #60

Then you have failed to grasp the legal definition of "entrapment". It is complex. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #66

You didn't read the article, did you? d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #71

I have done more than just read the article cosmicone Jun 2015 #72

The cops were in the right to shoot and kill? d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #75

He attacked the cops -- he could have dropped the knife and surrendered cosmicone Jun 2015 #77

Yeah cuz a knife wielding suspect in front of a bunch of cops and the FBI d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #81

there is no due process right to charge at cops with a giant knife geek tragedy Jun 2015 #80

Really? How come the Chicago police department took one down d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #82

because he didn't charge at them with the knife in hand? nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #83

So robbing a dozen places at knife point (armed and dangerous) gets you arrested but d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #84

yes, trying to kill police with a knife means they will shoot you in self-defense. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #85

I guess if you're labled a terrorist armed and dangerous takes d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #86

well, running at cops with a 9" blade will get you shot regardless geek tragedy Jun 2015 #87

You mean like this guy: d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #88

No, not like that guy. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #89

He pulled a knife on a police officer d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #90

Are parked cars as dangerous as moving ones? nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #91

That depends on the hill you're standing on. NT d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #92

How would have you handled the situation if a man with a 9 inch knife PersonNumber503602 Jun 2015 #94

If I were the cops or the FBI d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #98

I'm not sure sending in a group heavily armed storm troopers would work out much better PersonNumber503602 Jun 2015 #101

Islam needs some reformation: Just the Catholic church did! lewebley3 Jun 2015 #6

A lot of pretty gruesome things nichomachus Jun 2015 #76

Agreed: The problem with Islam and the Catholic church is that it is male dominated lewebley3 Jun 2015 #99

Well then maybe they'll GET the "message". 7962 Jun 2015 #9

+1000 rollin74 Jun 2015 #19

"I do not get it." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #65

Good riddance n/t cosmicone Jun 2015 #3

I don't believe a word of this crap. blackspade Jun 2015 #4

Yeah, it'd be different if Islamists had actually attacked anyone before...... 7962 Jun 2015 #8

"Martyrdom by Cop" JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #10

Your last sentence pretty much says it all. 7962 Jun 2015 #12

And RW terrorist have never attacked anyone before..... blackspade Jun 2015 #13

no one knows the facts yet. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #20

Exactly. Completely absurd. He planned to take his knife, kill the heavily armed cop, behead him. Judi Lynn Jun 2015 #27

Islamist terrorists beheaded a British soldier in the streets of London. Several more plots geek tragedy Jun 2015 #28

If you read the story, thats NOT what it says. 7962 Jun 2015 #30

+1. Islamic extremists beheading people? Who ever heard of such nonsense? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #64

I'll bet anything their information is secret. sofa king Jun 2015 #67

Glad he's dead leftynyc Jun 2015 #11

"plenty of Muslims actually beheading people" blackspade Jun 2015 #14

FFS leftynyc Jun 2015 #23

"Do you immediately jump into any story about some Christians with a story about Muslims?" +1M! 7962 Jun 2015 #29

It just proves Bill Maher leftynyc Jun 2015 #31

Islam gets no pass. blackspade Jun 2015 #37

Then why the constant need leftynyc Jun 2015 #41

What in the hell are you talking about? blackspade Jun 2015 #34

gee, compare the instances. Compare the numbers. Apples and oranges. 7962 Jun 2015 #43

FFS indeed. blackspade Jun 2015 #32

So let's wait until he beheads someone? TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #33

Did I say "So let's wait until he beheads someone?" blackspade Jun 2015 #35

You didn't answer my question. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #36

It was a stupid question. blackspade Jun 2015 #38

Thanks for the stupid reply. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #39

Well, ask a stupid question.... blackspade Jun 2015 #40

Why bring up Christians? leftynyc Jun 2015 #42

How is it unrelated? blackspade Jun 2015 #45

Please link me to where leftynyc Jun 2015 #46

I've read a couple posts in which you mentioned Christians and RW nuts PersonNumber503602 Jun 2015 #95

I was getting a tire fixed this morning spinbaby Jun 2015 #15

the harassment by fbi & the local police, IMO pushes those thoughts & words into a final action Sunlei Jun 2015 #16

they did try to arrest him, he responded with violence* geek tragedy Jun 2015 #17

He "suicided by cop". They need to release the video. Still I think the 'fbi methods' need change. Sunlei Jun 2015 #21

they are planning to release it , when the DA says it's ok geek tragedy Jun 2015 #22

good on the cops then rollin74 Jun 2015 #18

It looks like his plans were changed, TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #25

Well, if an anonymous source said it was true, it must be. hughee99 Jun 2015 #26

Well, perhaps you'll believe this leftynyc Jun 2015 #44

Thanks for that article, it makes these claims even more suspicious, want to see the video uppityperson Jun 2015 #47

It makes what claims suspicious? leftynyc Jun 2015 #49

"They were planning to take action Tuesday" vs "It's unclear whether the plots were operational and uppityperson Jun 2015 #50

Oh - so let me get this straight leftynyc Jun 2015 #51

That's the way it works for some people Renew Deal Jun 2015 #52

I thought the " narrative" on Tamir Rice skewed his shooting was ok, then I saw the vid and it uppityperson Jun 2015 #69

I wasn't talking about you. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #70

Once I see the video, I will make up my mind. Are you saying police are always to be trusted in what uppityperson Jun 2015 #53

The video wingzeroday Jun 2015 #57

Don't put words in my mouth leftynyc Jun 2015 #63

That was a question to you, not a claim of how you felt. What about the differences between uppityperson Jun 2015 #68

Video is always more credibly than "unnamed sources"... hughee99 Jun 2015 #48

Locking thread. TexasTowelie Jun 2015 #54

Unlocking thread. TexasTowelie Jun 2015 #55

The metal pen seveneyes Jun 2015 #58

Ah yes . . . precrime. The Stranger Jun 2015 #59

Are you suggesting they should have allowed the guy to stab one of the officers PersonNumber503602 Jun 2015 #96

Are you suggesting you actually believe that there was someone who really thought he The Stranger Jun 2015 #100

I have no idea what he thought he could do. PersonNumber503602 Jun 2015 #102

I think you're illustrating my point. The Stranger Jun 2015 #103

update wingzeroday Jun 2015 #61

Good riddance romanic Jun 2015 #62

How far would anyone get trying to behead a cop? yurbud Jun 2015 #73

It has been done in the UK cosmicone Jun 2015 #78

I wouldn't tolerate it. At the same time, I doubt there'd be as much hysteria if a domestic crook yurbud Jun 2015 #79

boston police also caught a monkey at the zoo about to fling his poop at them & charged him with yurbud Jun 2015 #74

They Also Planned To Behead The Woman Responsible For The Anti-Islam Cartoon Drawing Event In Garlan Corey_Baker08 Jun 2015 #93

Where was the suspect complendio Jun 2015 #97