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118. I am Episcopalian

Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:00 AM

Jun 2015

the U.S. progeny of the epitome of the Anglo-Saxon-originated culture - the Church of England (Anglican), and a contributor to what became the "AME" church originated here in Philadelphia through the Richard Allen (Methodist) - Absalom Jones (Episcopal) connection. And the practices are about as far away from Baptist-style "Fundamentalist" as one can get, being near-Catholic in terms of liturgy. And we have Wednesday "Bible Studies". If anything, within the non-fundie churches, the discussion tends to be more historical in nature, with an attempt to offer reflections on the modern manifestations of the section being looked at.

The history of the founding of the AME church - http://pastispresent.org/2011/good-sources/richard-allen-absalom-jones-and-the-early-black-church/

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Reports: Shooting in downtown Charleston, S.C., leaves at least 8 dead [View all] NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 OP

Awful shenmue Jun 2015 #1

Thank heavens his god-given second amendment right wasn't taken away. valerief Jun 2015 #2

Thank allah he did not understand chemistry seveneyes Jun 2015 #17

Stay classy. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #101

Yep, just like Australia did n/t yodermon Jun 2015 #144

Yes, they just got fed up with gun violence and decided ENOUGH... CTyankee Jun 2015 #145

So what?! They didn't get the results that have been dishonestly claimed. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #157

well, those stupid Aussies! They haven't repealed those laws and become good gun CTyankee Jun 2015 #168

Who cares what they do? It's apples and oranges as I've already pointed out. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #169

still trotting gary kleck out?! This time as a liberal? CTyankee Jun 2015 #173

I don't care *what* liars think. And neither should you. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #174

I'll let persons of integrity following this line of conversation be the judges. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #175

I understand that you have your own sources and I have mine...which I have CTyankee Jun 2015 #172

LOL -- total non sequiter! pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #156

Australia banned guns after a mass shooting. yodermon Jun 2015 #163

I don't give a sh*t about Australia. It's utterly irrelevant to the point I was making. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #165

Stay ammosexual. It IS a political issue. Off to Ignore! nt valerief Jun 2015 #153

My heart bleeds! pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #158

Wow, second reply in the thread. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #126

well, this IS a gun problem, a racism problem and a mental health problem... CTyankee Jun 2015 #137

The idea that we can "legislate away" evil and crazy is just about as intelligent pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #159

So that leaves us with legislation to ban guns, doesn't it? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #160

Only if Prohibition and "The War on Drugs" has taught us nothing. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #162

and the first one we got rid of and the second one we are working on changing. CTyankee Jun 2015 #166

"Throwing up our hands and giving up are not options, IMO." pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #170

Meh, doing nothing yields us nothing. "feel good'? Hah, we don't and won't feel good CTyankee Jun 2015 #171

"Hah, we don't and won't feel good until we break the death grip....... pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #176

Excellent, now comes Don Kates and all you need is your 3rd NRA fave to get the trifecta! CTyankee Jun 2015 #177

Black church. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #3

It's an AME church. brush Jun 2015 #44

Naming the race of a suspect has long been frowned on in the south marshall Jun 2015 #51

naming the race heaven05 Jun 2015 #129

That was the unspoken assumption marshall Jun 2015 #161

they are "poor at their jobs" heaven05 Jun 2015 #125

Oh no Iliyah Jun 2015 #4

Coming up on Lawerene GP6971 Jun 2015 #5

Clean shaven, small, white man, approx 21 years old is still on the loose. applegrove Jun 2015 #6

If they know how old he is then they likely also know WHO he is 7962 Jun 2015 #7

from CNN Shooting reported at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in downtown Charleston NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #8

Not sure the one in custody is the right one as they first stopped a camera man and had him jwirr Jun 2015 #21

yup - the fog of news, always seems to happen - watching the live stream now NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #22

CNN is reporting a suspect matching description is in custody... Historic NY Jun 2015 #9

The same racist right-wing terrorists used to feel sated by burning down churches, Judi Lynn Jun 2015 #10

. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #12

fwiw, I don't usually link "Episcopal" with "fundamentalist" truebluegreen Jun 2015 #16

AMEs are not fundamentalist. brer cat Jun 2015 #23

The ones here where I live are. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #70

It is confusing. brer cat Jun 2015 #77

I live in a fairly small town. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #105

AME Zion Baptist church is not the same as AME brush Jun 2015 #149

I just explained that not all are the same. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #152

Sorry if I misunderstood brush Jun 2015 #154

Things in my hometown get twisted in ways that are unimaginable to most Jamastiene Jun 2015 #155

AME churches may be fundamentalists which often only means "literalists" but they are not often jwirr Jun 2015 #28

Methodist Episcopal aren't fundamentalist. You're correct. herding cats Jun 2015 #33

They are Methodist. Episcopal refers to their church authority system, with Bishops duhneece Jun 2015 #147

As far as I know, all protestant churches have services juajen Jun 2015 #40

Where did you get that AME is fundamentalist? brush Jun 2015 #48

If a church has prayer meetings on Wednesday night it most likely is fundamentalist Prostestant. Judi Lynn Jun 2015 #113

I am Episcopalian BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #118

I grew un in the AME church brush Jun 2015 #148

As herdingcats mentioned BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #110

Gun culture-y. nt onehandle Jun 2015 #11

This will be the last mass shooting until we have another one Botany Jun 2015 #13

Oh dear, Botany.. it's all so incredibly, unbearably, tragically sad.. Cha Jun 2015 #104

I have hunted and owned guns for years and I am sick of the gun culture and America's insane .... Botany Jun 2015 #119

I am sick of the heaven05 Jun 2015 #131

Goddamnit. 47of74 Jun 2015 #14

No kidding. calimary Jun 2015 #75

until racism is eradicated heaven05 Jun 2015 #133

Oh, no! herding cats Jun 2015 #15

OMG, that's so sad. juajen Jun 2015 #18

Streaming local coverage teach1st Jun 2015 #19

thanks. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #20

Thank you very much. lovemydog Jun 2015 #73

I am so glad heaven05 Jun 2015 #134

11:30 live stream indicates still searching for shooter. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #24

It's Better To Pray To Guns Than God SoCalMusicLover Jun 2015 #25

They seem to still be looking for the shooter wheniwasincongress Jun 2015 #26

On Lawrence O a reporter on the scene said that the first person they handcuffed turned out to be jwirr Jun 2015 #34

thanks. The guy in the photos wheniwasincongress Jun 2015 #37

"The suspect is a white male about 21-years-old and is wearing a grey sweatshirt or hoodie, Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #27

Terrible. brer cat Jun 2015 #29

not necessarily - live stream indicates they are still searching. confused situation (not surprising NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #30

cable only has re-runs. Have been flipping for awhile.. riversedge Jun 2015 #31

live reporting at this link - local news NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #32

Live Stream from the local CBS station... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #35

thank you riversedge Jun 2015 #39

breaking - bomb threat near the church - 10 minutes ago. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #36

Bomb threat called in. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #38

"21 year old male" wheniwasincongress Jun 2015 #41

11:53PM EDT Suspect still on the loose. Arrested man not the shooter. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #42

Press briefing expected shortly wheniwasincongress Jun 2015 #43

damn damn damn DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #45

reported on Twitter "ABC just reported that the Reverend Pinckney & his sister were two of the NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #46

Awful. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #47

The usual SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #63

What about racist gun obssessed amerikkkans heaven05 Jun 2015 #136

Link to Local News Livestream here: KeepItReal Jun 2015 #49

Man some really racist comments running beside the livestream! hollowdweller Jun 2015 #71

Oh no Oilwellian Jun 2015 #50

F*** Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #52

Pastor Emiritus was at a Hillary event earlier today. RandySF Jun 2015 #53

JUST IN: SC Gov. @nikkihaley on #charlestonchurchshooting riversedge Jun 2015 #54

so the party of non-stop hate radio doesn't understand what motivates this sort of thing? NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #55

a fish does not know it is swimming in water.... riversedge Jun 2015 #62

Availability of guns motivates them to act. onehandle Jun 2015 #68

Why doesn't Nimrod look at the flag they fly at the state house ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #78

they do fly the confederate flag proudly heaven05 Jun 2015 #141

keep praying heaven05 Jun 2015 #138

Bush cancels events in SC and just posted this tweet ... riversedge Jun 2015 #56

A civilian on the street said a 90 year old woman and 5 year old child are dead Renew Deal Jun 2015 #57

Guns! Guns! Guns! SheilaT Jun 2015 #58

and it's endless - and it is hard to see the situation getting any better. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #59

Yep. It will never get better until the guns are taken away. SheilaT Jun 2015 #61

Not so easy romanic Jun 2015 #66

you're right heaven05 Jun 2015 #143

You make a good point bluestateguy Jun 2015 #103

#Charleston Mayor Riley calls... "unspeakable and heartbreaking tragedy." Awaiting presser riversedge Jun 2015 #60

This has to be "Obama's fault".....? Hulk Jun 2015 #64

FOX "News" will claim this guy is a liberal. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #69

"Registered Democrat" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #81

I know I've been past that church and have read the sign out front Warpy Jun 2015 #65

People I know with fox news lobotomies project_bluebook Jun 2015 #82

Unfortunately, nine are confirmed dead. passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #88

Yes, I've kept up Warpy Jun 2015 #89

9 confirmed dead KeepItReal Jun 2015 #67

Thank you for the live stream. lovemydog Jun 2015 #72

State Senator Clementa Pickney is confirmed dead. Chicago1980 Jun 2015 #74

This just graduated from a news event to a historic event. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #80

here are my notes from the police/mayor news conference. labeled a hate crime. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #76

ABC News: Shooting Believed to be a Hate Crime, Police Chief Says Hissyspit Jun 2015 #79

So right now they have a description of the suspect lovemydog Jun 2015 #83

if they know more, they are not saying, according to the press conference info NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #84

Thank you. lovemydog Jun 2015 #85

I have the local news on and zip so far. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #86

Thanks. lovemydog Jun 2015 #87

This will not end well.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #90

Thank you. Yes, I also read that this church lovemydog Jun 2015 #91

Thank You!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #92

When will the insanity end? Marrah_G Jun 2015 #99

Nine Dead in Shooting Rampage Inside South Carolina Church; Gunman at Large (includes news video) Rhiannon12866 Jun 2015 #93

I hope they catch the gunman soon. lovemydog Jun 2015 #94

Sounds like they have a good description, can't imagine he could get far Rhiannon12866 Jun 2015 #95

It could be awhile. Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #96

Ah! Thanks! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2015 #97

my granddaughter is a student at the C of C. Thank god she's home now in MA... CTyankee Jun 2015 #135

I was thinking about you. Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #151

I learned today that Roof had originally planned to go shoot up the C of C's campus CTyankee Jun 2015 #167

OMG this is terrible!!!!!! Marrah_G Jun 2015 #98

Donate directly to the church here: lovemydog Jun 2015 #100

That's a terrific idea! Thanks for posting this... Rhiannon12866 Jun 2015 #106

Horrific. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #102

Why? What horrible news to wake up to. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2015 #107

This is definitely a racist hate crime, and the feds better be involved still_one Jun 2015 #108

Chief of Police - its a Hate Crime JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #109

Reading some of those comments associated with the link you provided indicates a lot racist asses still_one Jun 2015 #111

I didn't read the comments JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #112

you are wise still_one Jun 2015 #146

I cannot go to bed until pugetres Jun 2015 #114

MSNBC - about 6:00 a.m. JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #123

Link to first pictures of the suspect. Marrah_G Jun 2015 #115

Police release images of assailant & car Bosonic Jun 2015 #116

those pictures send chills down my spine Amishman Jun 2015 #132

looks like fresh mud on his boots d_b Jun 2015 #142

Tragic. Hoping they catch this guy very very soon. alboe Jun 2015 #117

I was an adolescent in the '60s and recall LiberalElite Jun 2015 #120

Gunman specifically asked for Clementa Pinckney before shooting Bosonic Jun 2015 #121

Just terrible, awful news. So sad. (nt) Inkfreak Jun 2015 #122

Oh, but this can't be domestic terrorism because he's white, not brown Novara Jun 2015 #124

Prayers to the victims of this terrible crime. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #127

To wake up to some despicable, racist heaven05 Jun 2015 #128

Only in America. nruthie Jun 2015 #130

and state gun laws can be overcome with enough determination on the part of people CTyankee Jun 2015 #139

Nutjob d_b Jun 2015 #140

Suspect in custody. lovemydog Jun 2015 #150

This is so depressing mvd Jun 2015 #164