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longship

(40,416 posts)
12. A few points.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jun 2015

First, the observatory is only on a part of the summit set aside specifically for the purpose of astronomy decades ago. It's location was specifically selected for the purposes of reducing both cultural and environmental impact. There is plenty of Mauna Kea summit that is not observatory. It is a rather large mountain. And AFAIK the TMT will not expand the observatory area. Plus its location was selected specifically to be sensitive to both environment and cultural impact.

Second, the observatory grounds are purposefully kept as pristine as possible to have minimal to no impact on the environment or the view of the summit. This includes native flora and fauna. If one goes to the observatory Web site they have a page about environmental (and cultural) impact. The extent that the protesters say this is not so is the extent that they are not being truthful.

Third, the observatory is at such a high altitude that astronomers don't even work there. The air pressure is too thin which makes it difficult to think. The number of staff at the summit is minimum for this reason and also to preserve the environment on the observatory grounds.

Fourth, who says the native volcano gods do not like learning about the universe?

I do not apologize for using strong language about this issue because many protesters don't just want to block the TMT, they want no astronomy whatsoever on the summit, which is a rather extreme and kooky position to take and is anyway a non-starter, especially since the observatory is by far the finest on the planet. Blocking the telescope is a very anti-science position to take.


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Anti-science kooks! longship Jun 2015 #1
I would never call protesters "ignorant kooks" on the basis of an AP article. Peace Patriot Jun 2015 #9
A few points. longship Jun 2015 #12
I like your post best of all those here. mahina Jun 2015 #13
Thank you for these Hawaiian sources on the protesters views and movement. Peace Patriot Jun 2015 #14
Mahalo nui Peace Patriot. I so appreciate your thoughful consideration. mahina Jun 2015 #15
700 demonstrators, holy smokes. Kaua'i newspaper the Garden Island: mahina Jun 2015 #16
"Kapu aloha"? WTF? candelista Jun 2015 #20
Bye now. mahina Jun 2015 #21
I nevah stay going nowea, brah. candelista Jun 2015 #22
You make believe you know pidgin and you no can figga out Kapu Aloha in relation to Pono? Hekate Jun 2015 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author candelista Jun 2015 #32
Mahalo Mahina Hekate Jun 2015 #23
aloha no Hekate mahina Jun 2015 #24
I'm supposed to go to O'ahu in October for my high school reunion. Any protests planned .... Hekate Jun 2015 #25
Ongoing, but pm me if you have any free time ok? mahina Jun 2015 #28
Mahalo nui -- I will try to do that Hekate Jun 2015 #29
raja dat mahina Jun 2015 #30
Alas, someone else lives on Kauai Hekate Jun 2015 #31
Oops, forgot mahina Jun 2015 #35
Good. nt bananas Jun 2015 #2
Why? (n/t) benEzra Jun 2015 #7
How is this desecrating the mountain? SunSeeker Jun 2015 #3
Well said...couldn't agree more. Surya Gayatri Jun 2015 #4
The Imiloa Astronomy Center has tried that line. It doesn't work. candelista Jun 2015 #10
Oh. The protestors want money. How holy of them. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #11
No, they do not want money. mahina Jun 2015 #18
Yes they do want money! candelista Jun 2015 #19
The hotels exist. Lessons learned. mahina Jun 2015 #17
Dumb. nt w4rma Jun 2015 #5
Silly.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #6
I'm cynical packman Jun 2015 #8
Good for them. The Hawaiians have been screwed over long enough. nt Hekate Jun 2015 #26
"Screwed over"? candelista Jun 2015 #34
Max Plank said olddots Jun 2015 #33
Oh dear, this again. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #36
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