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14. Had this argument today...he says its free speech...

Sat Jun 27, 2015, 08:08 PM

Jun 2015

I say it not. Its the flag of the confederate states not the United States. Can you imagine what would happen if someone flew the ISIS flag????

This flag didn't get bandied about until the Brown VS Board of Education to desegerate it became the rallying flag of dissent to Civil Right.

In SC it didn't show up until 1962!

The first time it flew

Daniel Hollis, a member of the commission responsible for planning South Carolina’s Confederate War Centennial, recalled the exact day the flag was first hoisted during an interview published in 1999.

Hollis said the flag itself went up on April 11, 1961, for the opening of the Civil War centennial "at the request of Aiken Rep. John A. May."

"May told us he was going to introduce a resolution to fly the flag for a year from the capitol. I was against the flag going up," Hollis said, "but I kept quiet and went along."

The resolution was approved in 1962, but never included a date for the flag’s removal.

"It just stayed up," Hollis said. "Nobody raised a question.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/22/eugene-robinson/confederate-flag-wasnt-flown-south-carolina-state-/

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Pro-Confederate flag rally held at S.C. Statehouse [View all] IDemo Jun 2015 OP

I really don't care how many redneck sharp_stick Jun 2015 #1

I like that! jzola Jun 2015 #2

Well stated..! misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #3

I totaly agree! (nt) paleotn Jun 2015 #7

Agree! In my book flying that POS is like flying the swastika! This country needs to bury the hatred RKP5637 Jun 2015 #55

not just banned from fed contracts but all fed funds wordpix Jul 2015 #92

It should say "pro-racist" rally...... blackspade Jun 2015 #4

Symbols mean different things to different people. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #18

Pictures culled from the internet amounting to a whole lot of nothing. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #22

Well since some people compare the Confederate Battle Flag to the Swastika, perhaps Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #24

The perpetrators of that flag where defeated and tried, LuvLoogie Jun 2015 #29

My point was clear, symbols have different meanings to different people. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #32

This flag predates the Nazi flag LuvLoogie Jun 2015 #47

And the U.S. Flag predates the Confederate Flag Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #79

The United States of America is an evolving/advancing premise. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #90

And this one means racism to most people who are not either being ironic or self-deluded. 6000eliot Jun 2015 #49

what is this "broader perception" of the Confed flag? wordpix Jul 2015 #93

Please read the entire Washington Post article on this thread, Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #98

I have pictures of NAZi's using the Confederate flag in germany Gore1FL Jun 2015 #31

I have pictures of the KKK flying a U.S. Flag, so what does that mean? Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #33

Means they're Racist Americans lobodons Jun 2015 #36

But does that make the U.S. Flag a racist symbol? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #38

Only if we allow it to be co-opted. Gore1FL Jun 2015 #44

How does the U.S. stop the KKK from co-opting the U.S. Flag? Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #64

Reply to Uncle Joe post #64. So each state should decide? Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #72

No the state shouldn't have the power to decide whether a black person can vote or whether Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #77

Good. Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #80

I agree they should put it to a vote. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #81

By flying it un-stuck in time as the U.S. Flag n/t Gore1FL Jun 2015 #75

You mean like U.S. Flag Lapel pins worn so proudly by the same people Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #78

stuck-in-time vs work-in-progress Gore1FL Jun 2015 #82

As there is no more Confederate Government, the only work in progress Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #83

They may mean it, but that doesn't make them right. Gore1FL Jun 2015 #84

Everything changes and it never stops. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #85

The policies of the never-legal CSA stopped in 1865. I promise. Gore1FL Jun 2015 #88

I never said nor implied that the CSA or its policies should come back, we were talking about Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #89

The fact that some don't understand the meaning... blackspade Jun 2015 #23

Art is in the eye of the beholder and the same holds true for history insofar as Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #25

The symbols of defeated racist nations belong in museums, preserve the history, remember the hate. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #26

Try to wrap your thinking around this, the North and the South were both racist. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #30

Maybe so, but the only people still trying to justify that worthless fucking racist flag SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #34

Symbols mean different things to different people. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #37

The South were a bunch of treasonous losers who fought a war to enslave human beings. 6000eliot Jun 2015 #50

Along with the Nazi Swastika, the Dixie Swastika represents only the symbol of a racist nation that was defeated. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #59

Again, you are missing the point.... blackspade Jun 2015 #40

Government flag waving is not free speech, it is conduct, so said SCOTUS last week. Keep up. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #58

After seeing all of your posts in this thread, I believe you have issues. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #63

We all have issues, but I'm not a racist. Uncle Joe Jun 2015 #65

Um, no. You're trying to stake out a middle ground that doesn't exist. blackspade Jun 2015 #39

Are those pics from the Clayton Bigsby family reunion? Efilroft Sul Jun 2015 #27

Clayton bigsby is one of the funniest things I have ever seen! nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2015 #28

Wow. I busted out. Thanks for that. Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #73

Pretty sure there's some kind of joke going there. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #53

It really is beyound my comprehesion why they would don the symbol of suppression of Blacks. olegramps Jun 2015 #61

Hear hear. Quite an enigma indeed. Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #74

I'd use anecdotal evidence to rationalize my bias, too LanternWaste Jul 2015 #97

Real simple solution, just put it to a vote and let the people of the state decide if they cstanleytech Jun 2015 #5

The 14th Amendment is not subject to a vote in the South for a reason. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #45

Lets assume it is a 14th violation. cstanleytech Jun 2015 #56

So you still think keeping that flag should be up to a vote (consisting of a white majority)? nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #67

Well what do you recommend? Sending in the army to remove the flag? cstanleytech Jun 2015 #68

#1, then if that doesn't work, #2. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #69

Well #1 might not happen, if it doesnt then its #2 or #3 and frankly I think are probably better cstanleytech Jun 2015 #87

What was truly sad is that a black state employee TexasTowelie Jun 2015 #6

White supremacy rally matt819 Jun 2015 #8

Better Headline Time: SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #35

The south will never change ann--- Jun 2015 #9

One of the commenters at the link begins, IDemo Jun 2015 #12

The fact that ann--- Jun 2015 #57

the entire nation did that...it was not just the south noiretextatique Jun 2015 #86

A majority of people??? asiliveandbreathe Jun 2015 #10

racists outing themselves Skittles Jun 2015 #11

Did they manage to get a black guy to join them? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #13

There is nothing noble about that flag. blackspade Jun 2015 #41

These people are mentally disturbed..... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #43

Had this argument today...he says its free speech... Historic NY Jun 2015 #14

It IS free speech and any private person or business can fly it under protection. cosmicone Jun 2015 #17

Wasn't the will of the people kind of taken care of in the Civil War? Their leaders signed a jwirr Jun 2015 #15

Time to lobby corporations to get out of SC cosmicone Jun 2015 #16

Good Idea.. Red1 Jun 2015 #19

Pro-LOSER underpants Jun 2015 #20

All this strife over a symbol. candelista Jun 2015 #21

All this white privilege failing to see the symbol of a failed racist nation is what it is. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #60

What is is a symbol of? treestar Jun 2015 #66

The South shall not rise again. n/t Little Tich Jun 2015 #42

Really. Tell that to Houston, Dallas, Nashville, Birmingham, juajen Jul 2015 #91

Those racists would put African Americans back in chains if they could. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #46

...---... Alkene Jun 2015 #48

I wonder how they would like it, if the Yankee flag - not the current one, but Joe Chi Minh Jun 2015 #51

Wow...several DOZEN... Ken Burch Jun 2015 #52

That's the first thing I noticed. So, 36? 48? WhoWoodaKnew Jun 2015 #62

Shelled into the stone age, and still not quite up-to-date. Joe Chi Minh Jun 2015 #54

those PRO CONFEDERATE FLAG LOVERS are full of hate trueblue2007 Jun 2015 #70

who would mate with one of these gargoyles ? olddots Jun 2015 #71

the simplest arguement to make for taking it down HFRN Jun 2015 #76

I think Texas for instance flying the Mexican Flag under the US and Texas flags would provoke hollowdweller Jul 2015 #94

At Vicksburg, Grant gave orders, when He took the Battle! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #95

If the "supporters" believe they have a majority, why did only "dozens" show up at the rally? apnu Jul 2015 #96