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25. I wonder if they adjusted for other changes, like increasingly tougher DUI laws

Sun Jun 28, 2015, 10:50 AM

Jun 2015

In the U.S., crime rates have been dropping since the 90's, I'm guessing that might be true of British Columbia too. So a drop in some particular crime rate might be the result of much more than a presumably inflation-adjusted very modest increase in minimum alcohol pricing. One of the tricks of the polemicists is saying "x occurred. And y occurred. Therefore x caused y."

Here in Minnesota, DUI laws and enforcement have greatly increased in the past 10 years. Arrests for DUIs have been steadily going down -- not because of laxer enforcement, but just the opposite -- people are drinking and driving less as the penalties go up. It has nothing to do with any change in inflation-adjusted alcohol prices or taxes, which I don't think there has been much or any that I'm aware of.

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Minimum alcohol pricing cuts serious crime, study reveals [View all] Judi Lynn Jun 2015 OP

Not counting all the booze that "falls off the truck." nt MADem Jun 2015 #1

I would be strongly against going to canadian pricing on Alcohol Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #2

And one can of Copenhagen tobacco is $25 Recursion Jun 2015 #3

I dont think you should pick and choose vises to fund single payer Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #4

Agree. "Sin Tax" is regressive tax. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #5

What's more likely: Higher taxes for the wealthy, or ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #6

What's more likely? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #11

The influence of Kochs and other billionaires is what must change. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #23

Lotteries are a choice. A tax is not. No one HAS to buy a ticket. 7962 Jun 2015 #8

Agree on all points ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #10

What seem like taxes on stupid people Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #37

If they want to buy a 6 pack now and then TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #13

Increasing the misery of the many in order to decrease the misery of a few is a bad thing Major Nikon Jun 2015 #19

But drinking alcohol isn't a necessity TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #24

Nothing past minimum nutrition, water, and perhaps a wool blanket is a necessity Major Nikon Jun 2015 #35

we could do that with things like donuts, pizza and other unhealthy foods too? Tax the hell of it. notadmblnd Jun 2015 #28

I'm obese and I don't have a problem with that TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #32

No need to squeeze every last cent out of drinkers to fund single payer. bluedigger Jun 2015 #21

i would agree if restorefreedom Jun 2015 #26

One small flaw in your position. Alcohol and tobacco are not "vices", they are terrible addictions and health hazards. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #27

Tobacco yes, but not alcohol. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #38

They are a Vice if the Drinkers are Alchoholics and Are Raising Children McKim Jun 2015 #39

But we're always told drug violence is because of the high street price. 7962 Jun 2015 #7

Good question. But would many people burgle or rob ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #9

My guess would be Springslips Jun 2015 #43

Hmm, this was a big price DROP in inflation-adjusted terms progree Jun 2015 #12

Using inflation-adjusted prices is a given for any ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #16

A lower rate of inflation depends on some things not increasing in price Major Nikon Jun 2015 #20

Of course. progree Jun 2015 #22

How could a learned article by social scientists published in a professional journal have missed that!? Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #29

I've seen a lot of "learned articles" in professional journals full of crap, sir. progree Jun 2015 #31

If you were correct... wysi Jun 2015 #42

I'm not asserting that they didn't inflation adjust. I'm just asking if they inflation-adjusted or progree Jun 2015 #44

From the article: wysi Jun 2015 #45

Thanks, but very skeptical about the magnitude progree Jun 2015 #47

Also from the study: wysi Jun 2015 #48

Sobriety Lab bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #14

Just one study never is persuasive. But ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #17

I would not mind a huge federal and state tax on alcohol. exclude the first million in profits from Sunlei Jun 2015 #15

Alcohol and violent crime are joined together with Crazy Glue. Drugs are punters in comparison. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #18

I wonder if they adjusted for other changes, like increasingly tougher DUI laws progree Jun 2015 #25

I doubt this. Beauregard Jun 2015 #30

Perhaps. Igel Jun 2015 #33

"no evidence they used a control": Did you read the paper? ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #36

That's why home brewing beer and wine is popular madville Jun 2015 #34

So, if the increased the price by 100%... Helen Borg Jun 2015 #40

All statistical estimates are local, never global ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #41

Homer Simpson is right. Alcohol is the cause of and solution to all of life's problems. Initech Jun 2015 #46