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2. In other words,

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 1, 2015, 10:10 AM

Jul 2015

Merkel is in a good position to fleece Greece.

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Greek debt: Merkel dismisses Tsipras's last-ditch compromise plan [View all] geek tragedy Jul 2015 OP

As Greece desparately needs cash Merkel is in an excellent bargaining position. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #1

In other words, Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #2

Greece probably never should have taken yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #6

The money was taken by an irresponsible government in Greece. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #20

Well said. ananda Jul 2015 #28

Thank you for this very lucid Euphoria Jul 2015 #41

+100! People get so caught up in blaming the victims that they forget who the villains are. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #51

Unfortunately, nothing really can be done now until after the referendum. still_one Jul 2015 #5

Should be "before Sunday's poll" had an official vote count. Igel Jul 2015 #3

Mr. Bean's only option to getting a deal in time from geek tragedy Jul 2015 #4

The referendum will pass. candelista Jul 2015 #9

it's not clear what they're voting on though. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #11

I still don't get what the referendum actually is other than a call for a snap election Recursion Jul 2015 #17

IMF arrears doesn't mean Grexit, it may not even be a technical default geek tragedy Jul 2015 #23

There are references to specific proposals in the referendum candelista Jul 2015 #33

The specific proposal is a dead letter, having expired yesterday. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #37

Well, it's what they're voting on, unless it gets reworded. candelista Jul 2015 #42

Either way the Greeks vote, how in the world will Northern Europe collect? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #25

There is no "north European" proposal. There is a proposal from the Eurozone countries geek tragedy Jul 2015 #29

What a two faced statement by a capitalist hypocrite blackspade Jul 2015 #7

Her stance makes perfect sense given the referendum. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #8

Yep. Perfect sense if you are trying to run Greece out of the EU. blackspade Jul 2015 #10

perfect sense if someone's asking you to lend them bilions of euros geek tragedy Jul 2015 #12

Oh, yes, because we know that Merkal and the Troika "negotiate in good faith." blackspade Jul 2015 #15

compared to Mr. Bean, absolutely they look like good faith operators geek tragedy Jul 2015 #16

Right. The referendum wisely puts negotiations at the top on hold. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #30

+1. n/t Euphoria Jul 2015 #43

If she made a deal before the vote, people would complain about that Democat Jul 2015 #19

Who would be complaining? blackspade Jul 2015 #46

Greek PM maintains referendum, calls on people to vote 'no' Bosonic Jul 2015 #13

So, we are where we started, Sunday means either a Grexit or SYRIZA resigns geek tragedy Jul 2015 #14

But the grexit happened yesterday Recursion Jul 2015 #18

Grexit didn't happen yesterday, there's open debate within ISDA over whether geek tragedy Jul 2015 #21

But if I can't get to my alleged euros, I'd contest that I still live in the eurozone Recursion Jul 2015 #22

Did the US leave the dollar in 1933 when Roosevelt closed the banks for a week? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #24

I don't remember what FDR's capital controls were Recursion Jul 2015 #27

Banks were allowed to do nothing but make change. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #31

No. Complete democrat. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #32

You realize Tsipras is telling people it's NOT about leaving the Euro, right? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #35

Anyone here know what the the details over the austerity package were? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #26

I don't know all of it, but I understand that there was to be yet another cut in pensions JDPriestly Jul 2015 #45

Germany is strong because they were given a huge break on their war debts. Gregorian Jul 2015 #34

This isn't just Germany. It's all of the other Eurozone countries. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #36

My point was that Germany ought to show some humanitarian gesture. Gregorian Jul 2015 #57

Goldman Sach's turbinetree Jul 2015 #38

yes, Goldman Sachs was Greece's partner in crime for that fraud. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #39

So who pays.................................?" turbinetree Jul 2015 #40

Well, both should pay a penalty. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #44

The losses should be shared but not just by Greece and Germany and Northern Europe. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #48

Goldman should be prosecuted for what they did. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #50

i'm confused hill2016 Jul 2015 #58

Greece was not the only government duped by Goldman Sachs. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #47

Greece wasn't the victim of its own fraudulent conduct geek tragedy Jul 2015 #49

Just like the Bush II adminsitration here. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #52

the US is nothing like Greece and our problems are nothing like Greece's. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #54

Our balance of payments deficit -- probably due to the exaggeratedly high valuation of the JDPriestly Jul 2015 #56

even if hill2016 Jul 2015 #59

Read the article. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #60

yeah well hill2016 Jul 2015 #61

A Greek government did that. The Greek people did not do that. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #62

Tsipras is like a passive-aggressive spouse with his referendum. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #53

if there's a yes vote his party probably is toast. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #55

HA! Germany called Tsipiras bluff. DCBob Jul 2015 #63

he has no plan, just kind of winging it geek tragedy Jul 2015 #64

Yep.. an amateur playing with pros. DCBob Jul 2015 #65

he lost when he called this chickenshit referendum, which has now divided Greece geek tragedy Jul 2015 #66

Dijsselbloem says there will only be a deal if the referendum comes back with a Yes vote. DCBob Jul 2015 #67