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36. That's not correct, based on my understanding of the cases.

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:09 PM

Jul 2015

In fact, they are refusing to bake any wedding cake at all for a same-sex couple. Customization didn't have time to come into it in this case, or the case in Oregon. The customers were turned away simply for being gay.

Merchants have the right to refuse to customize something they are opposed to expressing. A baker has the right to refuse to put an obscene message on a cake, but they don't have the right to turn a customer away simply for being gay.

In fact, it is insulting to suppose that gay people are any more likely to request an obscene message than anybody else. We just want a wedding cake. Like everybody else gets to buy.

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We're back to cake baking? bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #1

Hobby-Lobby DallasNE Jul 2015 #4

Yes, you make sense bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #21

Why stop with fines - how about 30 days in jail for unemployed murderers, with the penalty 24601 Jul 2015 #29

It depends on what you consider discriminatory bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #32

A progressive income tax would be discriminatory bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #33

it depends on how much creative input the baker has. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5

Exactly. yardwork Jul 2015 #9

there's a first amendment issue not just in terms of religion geek tragedy Jul 2015 #10

So far, none of these cases involve offensive messages. yardwork Jul 2015 #11

then that's illegal in all likelihood. I'm not aware of the facts in the instant geek tragedy Jul 2015 #16

I don't know how Jewish screenwriters could be forced that way catrose Jul 2015 #23

drawing a distinction between a cake decorator and a screenwriter geek tragedy Jul 2015 #24

The jokes would write themselves... catrose Jul 2015 #25

I Dpn't Buy The First Point DallasNE Jul 2015 #13

a person's religious beliefs are what they say they are, in most court cases. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #17

That is correct. yardwork Jul 2015 #26

we agree. they are not relevant in this case. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #38

Are you on drugs? /nt yardwork Jul 2015 #39

But if you don't bake the cake, christx30 Jul 2015 #42

So, does he also refuse to sell to liars, theives, adulterers, etc.? Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2015 #2

More appropriately, would he bake a wedding cake for divorcees? brooklynite Jul 2015 #8

they always conveniently ignore divorce restorefreedom Jul 2015 #12

I don't agree that that's more "appropriate". I don't think divorce is proscribed by Christianity. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2015 #18

Matthew 5:32 brooklynite Jul 2015 #19

I do think the fact that they see gay marriage as more of a threat to "traditional marriage" than Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2015 #22

The argument is not that they won't bake a cake - any cake - for a gay person Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #35

That's not correct, based on my understanding of the cases. yardwork Jul 2015 #36

Would go out of business overnight randys1 Jul 2015 #27

I think he ought to go out of business so as not to compromise his religious convictions. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2015 #30

What Is The Difference DallasNE Jul 2015 #3

they can't split this hair restorefreedom Jul 2015 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #40

His made up beliefs? Jesus never said anything about gay love. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #6

If the law says no discrimination, House of Roberts Jul 2015 #7

This place is near my house DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #14

Discrimination bullsnarfle Jul 2015 #20

Or worse, do just enough christx30 Jul 2015 #43

This shit again?????? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #31

while wrong, i would think that some people appreciate the warning HFRN Jul 2015 #34

Allow me to speak to that, as a gay person. yardwork Jul 2015 #37

point well taken nt HFRN Jul 2015 #41