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25. Sorry you are talking to one of the benefit users here in the USA. You need to stop blaming

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:52 AM

Jul 2015

everyone and ask one question: Where does the power rest? They are the only ones who can change anything. As to the benefits abuse - even that lays in the hands of the ones with power - they are the ones who created the benefits and they are the ones who are supposed to stop the abuse. But they do not - probably because "bread and circuses" still works.

The power does not lay in the hands of the little people. Unless of course they do start having "riots and chaos". My guess is that the real power in Greece, like here in the USA, rests in the hands of the very rich and the stockholders of the corporations including both the Greek bankers and the EU bankers.

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Greek debt crisis: French central bank governor warns of 'riots and chaos' if no deal is found [View all] Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 OP

They are probably ruing more the day that they voted in whatever asshole took out the first major cstanleytech Jul 2015 #1

But, they gladly took the money and continued their proligate, Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #2

*shakes head* If they didnt fix their tax issue like they were supposed to then ya I can understand cstanleytech Jul 2015 #3

When you say "they" are you talking about the Greek bankers who took the money and did jwirr Jul 2015 #14

All classes have been complicit and active corruptors of the system, Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #15

Sorry you are talking to one of the benefit users here in the USA. You need to stop blaming jwirr Jul 2015 #25

Wanna read that again? I did NOT say 'users', but ABUSERS. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #28

I would not - because the powers that be here in the USA would stop it. And that is my point. jwirr Jul 2015 #34

"And as far as I can see no one is even trying to do that..." Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #36

I understand that - the bankers have the power of yes or no. As to "making th proligate jwirr Jul 2015 #40

Sounds like your money-management skills might be useful Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #41

by "profligate" and "spendthrift" ways do you mean buying useless military hardware magical thyme Jul 2015 #42

It's 'Hate on Germany Day'. Let's dredge up their great-grandparents' WWII crimes of 75 years ago... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #43

You start hating on the Greeks and expect love and flowers in return? magical thyme Jul 2015 #48

"...bigoted hate speech against the Greeks?" Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #49

"But, they gladly took the money and continued their proligate, magical thyme Jul 2015 #53

Have a read here: Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #54

already did, and responded. magical thyme Jul 2015 #56

Well of course the politicians did that, none of them wanted to be seen as the one at fault cstanleytech Jul 2015 #44

'Terminus...tout le monde descend' - as they announce at the end of the Paris Metro line... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #45

Merkel and her ilk are using Greece as an example to scare other Eurozone nations. roamer65 Jul 2015 #57

Excellent it will give them something to do with their free time... Historic NY Jul 2015 #4

Yeah, when all else fails, lob a few molotov cocktails. Like that's worked so well Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #5

Oh come off it. fasttense Jul 2015 #6

Riiiiight....that's clear then. 'Riots and chaos in Greece is what the French governor wants...', Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #7

Do you have any idea of how you sound? fasttense Jul 2015 #8

... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #10

Tired of calling me names? fasttense Jul 2015 #11

Silly in this instance is an adjective and qualifier, not a sobriquet. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #16

Interesting use of the word sobriquet fasttense Jul 2015 #29

You seem to be supporting austerity. What are your solutions for this mess and where exactly do jwirr Jul 2015 #17

I've discussed my personal interest in and anxiety about this sad situation in these OPs and posts, Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #24

Making these kinds of pronouncements is a political strategy GliderGuider Jul 2015 #12

Just what he wants. A collapsing, riot-torn Greece on his southern flank. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #20

I don't think he gives a shit. It's all a political game to him GliderGuider Jul 2015 #32

Uh huh. France doesn't give a shit about instability and collapse in Greece, which is a major buffer Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #33

Things will unfold as they will. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #35

You're right there...we're ALL in for a bumpy night, me thinks. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #38

The EU presented Greece with an impossible choice to bring about regime change. Nitram Jul 2015 #9

"...leaving the EU?" Whaaa? Who said anything about Greece leaving Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #13

France is actually supporting Greece. Nitram Jul 2015 #19

Exactly. They're one of the few 'friends' Tsipras hasn't completely alienated. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #21

So is the US. Nitram Jul 2015 #22

You must be a paid agent nyabingi Jul 2015 #47

Not last time I looked at my meager retirement pension... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #50

It is the "partners" who haven't been willing nyabingi Jul 2015 #66

A paid agent? For whom? I was defending Greece. Nitram Jul 2015 #62

I thought I was replying to Surya Garatri nyabingi Jul 2015 #64

OK, never mind. It gets hard sometimes to tell who is replying to whom. Nitram Jul 2015 #65

My own country - USA - started going to hell in a handbasket when Reagan was elected. No one jwirr Jul 2015 #23

Excellent point. jwirr Jul 2015 #18

One other point, everyone (I think) is missing ... aggiesal Jul 2015 #58

that is a good point, aggiesal Nitram Jul 2015 #63

To answer your question, ... aggiesal Jul 2015 #67

I'm afraid you're right about the troika. Nitram Jul 2015 #68

UNREC. 2naSalit Jul 2015 #26

Let's hope, for the good of the Greek people, that Tsipras' half-assed, hapless, Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #31

Geesh! They're really going hard on this "catapult the propaganda" thing PSPS Jul 2015 #27

The Greek pensions dilemma explained... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #30

LOL. Yes! That extra 0.3% pension spending is causing all of this!!11!! Those fat cat pensioneers!1! PSPS Jul 2015 #37

You put the emphasis on the 'lazy pensioner' charge, and Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #39

Decided I'd gauge general reaction to Greece's rejection nyabingi Jul 2015 #46

Bienvenue Circus Apocalypse seveneyes Jul 2015 #51

Yanis was right...they should have pulled the plug a week ago...l Gloria Jul 2015 #52

Major political problem for Tsipras. He and Syriza were elected on the Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #55

Yeah, but they also don't want more austerity and conditions Gloria Jul 2015 #59

Correct my thinking: The Euro would stabilize with Grexit. Save the Euro by cutting off the loans. freshwest Jul 2015 #61

At this point donna123 Jul 2015 #60