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39. Not everyone feels as strongly

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:23 AM

Jul 2015

about your nation as you. If they feel their nation is run by idiots, evil or corrupt people, they'll leave, and never come back.
Every person has a line that their leadership could not cross. Crossing the line would result in that person hopping on the Hell No train to Fuckitville. For me, it's a republican president either starting a war with some 3rd world hellhole and reinstating the draft, or making church attendance mandatory.
I'm sure even you have a line, even if you don't admit it. Something a president or congress could do that would make life for you and your family unbareable, and you'd split. And that's a good thing. Even if someone reaches that line before you do. Every government operates on the consent of the governed, even if they don't know it yet.

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Half of Cuba's field hockey team defects during Pan Am games [View all] Marksman_91 Jul 2015 OP

I guess they were tired of waiting for change. 7962 Jul 2015 #1

Certain occupations in North Korea, only men with families are given. EL34x4 Jul 2015 #44

Amazing how that never even enters our minds here. Its just so odd! 7962 Jul 2015 #58

I guess over 200 US citizens who sought asylum in Cuba fasttense Jul 2015 #66

Thats ridiculous. 7962 Jul 2015 #68

Wet foot, dry foot is ending AngryAmish Jul 2015 #2

Yes, but why would they want to leave Cuba, though? Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #3

Dont forget spotless hospitals too with no waiting nt 7962 Jul 2015 #59

No doubt, you'll link to the post describing in en toto as a socialist paradise, yes? LanternWaste Jul 2015 #79

Exactly. n/t Scurrilous Jul 2015 #31

Someone bitter over Cuba/America relationships improving? Capitalist paradise or socialist Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #4

I'm actually quite happy about the improving relations :) Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #6

Cubans have been defecting for 50 years, as economic interests can overwhelm all else. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #10

Still blaming the U.S. embargo for Cuba's economic woes? Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #14

Often there's one answer for every question. Igel Jul 2015 #43

Funny how leftist governments tend to blame every single one of their problems on US imperialism Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #45

Puerto Rico? Really? Puertu Rico is a part of the US fasttense Jul 2015 #65

And Irans leader tweeting an image of Pres Obama with a gun to his head 7962 Jul 2015 #69

Sugar... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2015 #67

The biggest problem was the fall of the soviet union. killbotfactory Jul 2015 #71

Something like Venezuela I would imagine nt Bacchus4.0 Jul 2015 #15

"economic embargo" Not... EX500rider Jul 2015 #19

Fact denial is a terrible thing....Canada does 70% of its trade with this country...a nearby one. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #20

the US is Venezuela's largest trading partner and look at the mess they are in Bacchus4.0 Jul 2015 #22

Sugar is King in Cuba! Maybe we can end the substitute High Fructose Corn Syrup? Zen Democrat Jul 2015 #28

I was checking that out earlier when I was reading up on Cuba it looks like they are having trouble cstanleytech Jul 2015 #37

The Cuban town Mr. Hershey built mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 #75

I think that qualifies as a "BOOM!" 7962 Jul 2015 #61

Not surprising, we share the longest border in the world. EX500rider Jul 2015 #23

There is water between Cuba and America and none with Canada? Good point! Now if we could just Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #24

What are you implying? That trade by sea can be as easy as by land? Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #26

Of course, we should both ask China and Japan about the water transport trade problem before drawing any rash conclusions? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #27

Yes! Which is exactly why the embargo isnt the cause of Cuba's pains. 7962 Jul 2015 #60

"true democracy" heaven05 Jul 2015 #29

Still better than a one-party rule, in my opinion n/t Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #34

you're entitled heaven05 Jul 2015 #46

What alternative do you suggest then? Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #49

Those that dwell in American houses of "true democracy" should not..... something, something. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #38

Wow. US 'friendliness and influence will gradually promote true democracy?' PatrickforO Jul 2015 #30

"True Democracy to come back" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #32

True. Corrected it. Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #33

When has US infuence promoted roody Jul 2015 #42

Post war Japan? S Korea? W. Germany? Iraq? Afghanistan? EX500rider Jul 2015 #52

Well, I can't say it worked out too well in Afghanistan and Iraq Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #55

Intentions may be questionable but the fact remains.. EX500rider Jul 2015 #63

Post WW2 Europe? nt 7962 Jul 2015 #62

interesting, thanks nt Bacchus4.0 Jul 2015 #5

People relocate all the time for better opportunities. bluedigger Jul 2015 #7

Equating defection with "relocating for better opportunities" is a little bizarre. oberliner Jul 2015 #13

Equating "defection", definition pending, with abandoning forever allegiance to your nation, is a bit bizarre as well. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #17

Huh? oberliner Jul 2015 #25

Not everyone feels as strongly christx30 Jul 2015 #39

Cuba has a 400 person delegation in Toronto. Why are 400 not "defecting" to capitalist paradise? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #40

Why aren't people from other countries defecting to Cuba? N/t Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #41

He makes a great point Schema Thing Jul 2015 #51

Those 400 people haven't reached their christx30 Jul 2015 #54

I carla Jul 2015 #8

I doubt a career in field hockey would be lucrative for them nt Bacchus4.0 Jul 2015 #11

"USA offers what Cuba doesn't have." EX500rider Jul 2015 #53

It was great seeing your reference to "balseros" who return to their homeland. Judi Lynn Jul 2015 #56

That "gusanos" term has sure been a favorite of many fervent castristas in this site Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #64

Conspicuous whopper. I have NEVER seen any DU'er use "gusano" to refer to non-Cuban exiles, not once Judi Lynn Jul 2015 #73

Los Gusanos are a rock band in Venezuela, also means worm Bacchus4.0 Jul 2015 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jul 2015 #9

Good point. Folks are folks and make individual folks choices. Reading more into it is silly. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #12

Hid out in Canada to avoid the draft isn't really "defecting" EX500rider Jul 2015 #16

Like I said above, definition pending. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #18

definition no longer pending: EX500rider Jul 2015 #21

Scott Boras must be salivating KamaAina Jul 2015 #35

Isn't he in baseball, though? N/t Marksman_91 Jul 2015 #36

He's been looking to break in to the lucrative field hockey market for a while, though. KamaAina Jul 2015 #57

Wait until they find out what their job prospects are daleo Jul 2015 #47

Wait until they see Huckabee or Trump or Cruz. randome Jul 2015 #77

with Cuba open now, both Govs will probaby change the 'cubans get guaranteed resident cards' laws... Sunlei Jul 2015 #48

And there it is!!! If they want their dry feet green cards, they've gotta get 'em now. MADem Jul 2015 #50

No one is saying Cuba is a paradise. harun Jul 2015 #70

Just half? jmowreader Jul 2015 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #76

My heart breaks for Cuban leftists eissa Jul 2015 #78