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92. Independent Medical Examiner

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:12 PM

Jul 2015

I don't know who they got. Baden might be a good choice as long as he is doing the full examine and not just assisting as was done in the Mike Brown case where a 'coroner' performed that independent autopsy.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/private-autopsy-says-brown-shot-times-holder-orders-third-autopsy/article_e27c90b4-8fc9-5118-8f4b-ae98a9d0f552.html

You see, Shawn Parcells isn't qualified to do an autopsy according to the National Association of Medical Examiners.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/missouri-coroners-question-practices-of-forensics-company-operator/article_0662e5b1-dcfa-578f-9487-8ab6a176ea4d.html

I think they made a good choice with their attorney and I'm sure he has some good resources.
http://www.getthecannon.com/

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Experts: Report shows Sandra Bland may have used pot in jail [View all] laserhaas Jul 2015 OP

Actually, Fox is not a news source. shraby Jul 2015 #1

It came from AP - but Fox doesn't (properly) link to the AP story laserhaas Jul 2015 #3

exactly! n/t wildbilln864 Jul 2015 #5

I'd be interested to see if it's JackInGreen Jul 2015 #8

JackInGreen - Please explain, in further detail - to us non-tokers laserhaas Jul 2015 #14

When it's fight or flight SCVDem Jul 2015 #48

That's my opinion - also. As remarked in my comments below and elsewhere laserhaas Jul 2015 #50

MOI wants to know if they did DNA swabs of the purported hang noose laserhaas Jul 2015 #113

Its an Associated Press press story unless fox has taken to to posting cstanleytech Jul 2015 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #2

Stop hating the source - and LOOK at the dam fact I posted from within the story laserhaas Jul 2015 #7

The source is a cesspool of propaganda...why should we have to sort through such a source? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #9

Fred - THE source is actually AP - Fox is just the ONLY link I can find to the AP story laserhaas Jul 2015 #32

Not to take away from your point JackInGreen Jul 2015 #10

Definition of Poison is The Most Apropos - it totally explains how Sandy was murdered laserhaas Jul 2015 #16

But it didn't.... JackInGreen Jul 2015 #17

NOT poisoned To DEATH - Just enough toxic poisoning to make one IMPAIRED laserhaas Jul 2015 #19

Legally it is poisoning. JimDandy Jul 2015 #64

Many of us often misconstrue terms and/or coin of phrases. laserhaas Jul 2015 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #34

So why derail this thread with an argument over source? Maedhros Jul 2015 #83

Orginally the source came from Fixed News d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #90

NO need to do so - laserhaas Jul 2015 #93

Already did. No worries d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #121

Colorado and Washington state have a ridiculously low Eric J in MN Jul 2015 #4

Something is really rotten about this. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #6

That's the whole point. Facts and outcome - DON"T ADD UP - U N L E S S... Sandy was laserhaas Jul 2015 #11

I see your point, but have to pose this question: Maedhros Jul 2015 #84

If it worked - than the "ineffective" argue is moot. laserhaas Jul 2015 #94

I could see it. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #106

This marijuana 'issue' is a red herring.... blackspade Jul 2015 #13

you nailed it! thanks. n/t wildbilln864 Jul 2015 #76

I would argue to the contrary. Weed didn't kill her; but it made her easier to suicide. laserhaas Jul 2015 #95

No, the pot issue is being used to demonize her. blackspade Jul 2015 #99

Yes... that was Fox News intention; but it is back firing. laserhaas Jul 2015 #102

How did they force that much pot into her? arcane1 Jul 2015 #107

I think her blood test was normal result for average 'user'? the test is to sensitive so authorities Sunlei Jul 2015 #111

Yeah... like weed makes you worse than on LSD - laserhaas Jul 2015 #116

fox is just an arm of the republican party and Rs dislike about 50% plus of Americans Sunlei Jul 2015 #119

everybody knows.... Cryptoad Jul 2015 #15

The dashcam-vid was edited and this is the toxicology report of the "defective" autopsy. Go figure. DetlefK Jul 2015 #18

Of that remark - pathological tyrants losing track of what is real laserhaas Jul 2015 #22

maybe they gave her some evidence eatables they seized from one of their car traffic stop searches?? Sunlei Jul 2015 #20

That's the type of facts we need to know 'Sunlei' - Can you put up a GD thread of more details. laserhaas Jul 2015 #24

no I can't my only trip to Colorado, I ate the evidence. sorry. Sunlei Jul 2015 #27

HA HA ---- okay laserhaas Jul 2015 #29

I don't 'use' either. I did want to try legal Co. pot.I can report that 2 treats made me so relaxed, Sunlei Jul 2015 #55

Thom Hartmann mentioned the other day that she refused breakfast the morning of her death. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #21

one doesn't eat and THC stored in body fat is released into blood & stupid pot test picks up. Sunlei Jul 2015 #25

Why did she refuse breakfast? == Who disclosed such a (purported) fact? laserhaas Jul 2015 #28

I don't recall who he his source was, he was wondering if her meal the night before Snotcicles Jul 2015 #35

Again - that's a REAL possibility.... If she new they were tampering with her food laserhaas Jul 2015 #37

or perhaps after 3 full days in jail she was demoralized enough, exausted enough, to want to die. Sunlei Jul 2015 #23

I've been researching for a thread on that premise - laserhaas Jul 2015 #26

Thats possible but there are possibilities as well and to be fair cstanleytech Jul 2015 #31

That's the basis of my upcoming GD thread - what happened, possibilities laserhaas Jul 2015 #36

I recommend reading the posts by Lee-Lee over here cstanleytech Jul 2015 #39

Not a "lawful order". anyone with eyes and ears and a mild familiarity with the law that saw the video know that...why do you not? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author cstanleytech Jul 2015 #43

The purported leap of logic fails Fred. No one is "championing" the RW... In fact I'm doing the laserhaas Jul 2015 #44

I'm not championing any talking points, what I am doing is what I am allowed which is to have cstanleytech Jul 2015 #45

You prefer making excuses for the cop, I prefer justice for Sarah Bland, we all see the difference. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #47

"I prefer justice for Sarah Bland" No, I dont think you do. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #54

Fred and cstanley - Can't we just get along? No need to get up at each other - We are against THEM laserhaas Jul 2015 #56

Fair enough. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #59

Never said it was "written" by Fox laserhaas Jul 2015 #61

I'm amazed that one would think there'd be a need for further review - on the firing issue. laserhaas Jul 2015 #42

the order to put out the cigarette KT2000 Jul 2015 #80

Concur KT2000 - their job is to keep the peace (mitigate) laserhaas Jul 2015 #89

Well Lee explained that the courts allow officers alot of leeway when it comes a stop like this and cstanleytech Jul 2015 #109

That's not the only thing he did. msrizzo Jul 2015 #127

True enough but that is what got the ball rolling with her refusing to comply with cstanleytech Jul 2015 #129

the reason he should be fired KT2000 Jul 2015 #133

Correct. If it was Palin's daughter - they'd want him strung up. laserhaas Jul 2015 #134

I am not sure about 100% anymore either now that I have seen the tape a few more times. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #136

it was before he told her KT2000 Jul 2015 #137

Well I am not disagreeing with you because yes he probably could have cstanleytech Jul 2015 #138

new job was toast. She had a serious Felony charge. First thing in jail is strip Naked for ? to see Sunlei Jul 2015 #103

That's one thing that is most disturbing. There's be no PR from the institution laserhaas Jul 2015 #105

Her Sister agreed to post bond. NOLALady Jul 2015 #60

WOW - if that be true NOLALady - there'd be almost no logical reason for the suicide laserhaas Jul 2015 #62

I've wondered by her parents did 840high Jul 2015 #79

SOmeone in the comments here - said her sister had committed to doing so. laserhaas Jul 2015 #96

Thanks. 840high Jul 2015 #130

Also keep in mind that she had epilepsy and was taking medication for it n8dogg83 Jul 2015 #101

As for me, I'm hoping Doctor Baden gets involved laserhaas Jul 2015 #30

That's what's needed. An outside investigation with no one from Texas shraby Jul 2015 #38

"She would have needed a way to get her feet/body clear of the floor. How did she accomplish that?" cstanleytech Jul 2015 #41

So - this (scientifically) points to the key question(s) laserhaas Jul 2015 #46

Not easy but also not impossible it just depends on how she did it. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #49

My bet is just the opposite.. There was no attempt at reviving.. NONE laserhaas Jul 2015 #51

You are forgetting something, remember the sheriff saying they had documents where she admitted to cstanleytech Jul 2015 #57

That's why moi ended with "OOPs" laserhaas Jul 2015 #58

Her right arm was injured in the arrest, could she do all that one-armed? Lars39 Jul 2015 #69

Correct Lars39 - Many - M A N Y, questions that need answering laserhaas Jul 2015 #71

A most recent injured arm (if that be the case) would be excruciating laserhaas Jul 2015 #75

She told her friend on the phone that she thought her shoulder might be broken. nt tblue37 Jul 2015 #81

Just because someone might have only one arm does not mean a cripple who cannot do anything cstanleytech Jul 2015 #72

Doesn't mean she could. A lot of people aren't able to much of anything with non-dominant arm, hand. Lars39 Jul 2015 #73

It doesnt mean she couldnt either. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #74

what if they 'made her stand' next that metal pole somehow & tied a lg trash bag around her neck to Sunlei Jul 2015 #108

Thats something they should investigate of course to rule it out cstanleytech Jul 2015 #112

All good questions - especially when you see the noose laserhaas Jul 2015 #114

Well they should test the bags to see if plausible cstanleytech Jul 2015 #117

whos the 'they' to investigate? They already stated the last check was against policy, the lazy pol Sunlei Jul 2015 #115

FBI and the DOJ are the two main federal agencies who would probable be looking into that cstanleytech Jul 2015 #118

Think that cell is protected by fbi and doj right now as a crime scene? It will take them years. Sunlei Jul 2015 #120

No, a trashbag was on the can atleast in photos not in it or atleast cstanleytech Jul 2015 #123

you. your're right. I think we're on the same page here. Sunlei Jul 2015 #125

Speculation is futile but... msrizzo Jul 2015 #128

Why use more if you dont need it or want it? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #132

I thought they said she did it with a plastic bag? notadmblnd Jul 2015 #100

I'm researching the original PR's for my GD thread. laserhaas Jul 2015 #104

police posted 'cell evidence photo' showed the bag neatly in the wastepaper basket. Sunlei Jul 2015 #110

Where's experts like Cheech and Chong - laserhaas Jul 2015 #33

Here's the AP article. drm604 Jul 2015 #52

Is it proper protocol for me to edit the posting and link to AP (instead)? laserhaas Jul 2015 #53

I don't make the rules around here, but I don't see why not. drm604 Jul 2015 #86

Well... I did the switch --- and we'll see if anyone alerts me of a protocol controlling laserhaas Jul 2015 #87

could not agree more here ellennelle Jul 2015 #63

Nice to see ya again 'ellennelle' - As always - Spot On! laserhaas Jul 2015 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Jul 2015 #67

She deserved to die because chapdrum Jul 2015 #68

That's the Faux not-news point of contention; but we're turning that on its head. laserhaas Jul 2015 #70

Sandra was alone in her cell..I can't understand how she would have acquired MJ in that jail, unless whathehell Jul 2015 #77

She could have smuggled it in, it wouldnt be the first time someone has managed to sneak drugs cstanleytech Jul 2015 #124

Do you really see that happening? whathehell Jul 2015 #126

Didn't the report cited on M$NBC also say fredamae Jul 2015 #78

Live body vs deceased body udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #82

Agree - we need an expert (and hopefully the family obtained top of the line). laserhaas Jul 2015 #88

Independent Medical Examiner udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #92

Thanks udbcrzy2 laserhaas Jul 2015 #97

Sorry, but cannabis users don't tend to kill themselves. Helen Borg Jul 2015 #85

While I don't agree with the "lots of--" conclusion; I do heartily concur with cannabis uses "don't laserhaas Jul 2015 #98

Is it possible for marijuana to make you that incapacitated? jmowreader Jul 2015 #91

some of the treats & candy can make a person very, very sleepy but no one has died I ever heard of. Sunlei Jul 2015 #122

Sleepy enough to not notice if someone was putting a noose around your neck? jmowreader Jul 2015 #131

sadly, I think after 3 days in jail she was tired,depressed over the 'ruined' life & killed herself. Sunlei Jul 2015 #139

YUP - you can alcohol poison and destroy body functions - even death; but laserhaas Jul 2015 #135