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In reply to the discussion: Cecil hunter Walter Palmer 'wanted to kill an elephant after killing the lion' [View all]seafan
(9,387 posts)91. So, where is Walter Palmer?
Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)
Daily Mail, July 31st 2015 2PMIt is a question the Fish and Wildlife Service would very much like answered and soon, as it emerged they were investigating whether the killing of Cecil was part of a conspiracy to violate a U.S. law against illegal wildlife trading.
The service said they are investigating the hunt under the Lacey Act, a U.S. law that bars trading in wildlife that has been illegally killed, transported or sold.
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This comes as the petition to extradite Dr, Palmer to Zimbabwe exceeded the required 100,000 signatures, and the White House confirmed it will respond to all petitions that meet that level.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said it is up to the Justice Department to respond to an extradition order, raising the possibility that Dr. Palmer would be sent to Zimbabwe, should the African nation make a formal request.
edited to add: (It is reported today that Zimbabwe is preparing a formal request.)
And while Dr. Palmer is adamant he knowingly acted within the law and paid $55,000 for a legal permit to kill a lion, Zimbabwe has charged one of his two guides with poaching.
The service said they are investigating the hunt under the Lacey Act, a U.S. law that bars trading in wildlife that has been illegally killed, transported or sold.
.....
This comes as the petition to extradite Dr, Palmer to Zimbabwe exceeded the required 100,000 signatures, and the White House confirmed it will respond to all petitions that meet that level.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said it is up to the Justice Department to respond to an extradition order, raising the possibility that Dr. Palmer would be sent to Zimbabwe, should the African nation make a formal request.
edited to add: (It is reported today that Zimbabwe is preparing a formal request.)
And while Dr. Palmer is adamant he knowingly acted within the law and paid $55,000 for a legal permit to kill a lion, Zimbabwe has charged one of his two guides with poaching.
Pursuit of the Lacey Act is also noted here:
Palmers actions could have violated the U.S. Lacey Act, a conservation law meant to shield animals from harm. The act, tied to a United Nations treaty for the protection of animals, governs the actions of Americans who violate the laws of foreign governments.
Grace also said the State Department is looking into the matter in Africa. Officials at the State Department did not respond to a request to confirm that information. The three agencies often work closely to investigate crimes against wildlife, often involving the poaching of elephants and rhinoceros throughout southern Africa.
Most recently, they combined forces to investigate Out of Africa Adventurous Safaris in Montgomery, Ala., which led to charges last year for Lacey Act violations, conspiracy, mail fraud, selling illegal rhinoceros hunts not sanctioned by the government and illegally trading rhinoceros horn, which can bring up to $45,000 per pound.
Grace also said the State Department is looking into the matter in Africa. Officials at the State Department did not respond to a request to confirm that information. The three agencies often work closely to investigate crimes against wildlife, often involving the poaching of elephants and rhinoceros throughout southern Africa.
Most recently, they combined forces to investigate Out of Africa Adventurous Safaris in Montgomery, Ala., which led to charges last year for Lacey Act violations, conspiracy, mail fraud, selling illegal rhinoceros hunts not sanctioned by the government and illegally trading rhinoceros horn, which can bring up to $45,000 per pound.
Meanwhile, the hunt for Walter Palmer expands.

Nobody home: Since he was identified as the killer of Cecil the lion on Tuesday, Dr. Walter Palmer or his family have not been seen at his Eden Prarie, Minneapolis home

House sitting? A unidentified man arrives at Dr. Palmer's Minneapolis home on Thursday as the wait continues for the reviled dentist to surface

The man collects the mail from the Palmer residence. It was the first sign of life at the Minneapolis mansion since the identity of Cecil's killer was confirmed on Tuesday
Not at the office:

Closed for business: Dr. Palmer's dental practice abruptly closed on Tuesday morning - patients were even turned away so sudden was the decision
Not at his Florida home:

Quiet: The Marco Island home of Dr. Walter Palmer is unoccupied in Florida. The dentist is facing calls from federal agencies to contact them immediately

A news crew with WINK news of Fort Myers wraps up a live shoot outside a house owned by dentist Dr. Walter Palmer on Marco Island, Florida, on Wednesday
Zimbabwes top wildlife regulator said this week that the kill was illegal because Bronkhorst, the guide, lacked the proper hunting permit for a lion kill for 2015. The charge was repeated by prosecutors at his hearing on Wednesday.
Zimbabwean authorities confirmed on Friday that they will seek the extradition of an American dentist who killed a lion that was lured out of a national park and shot with a bow and a gun.
Zimbabwe's wildlife minister says extradition is being sought for Walter J. Palmer, the Twin Cities big-game hunter and dentist implicated in the killing of Cecil, a prized research lion in Zimbabwe.
Oppah Muchinguri, environment, water and climate minister, told a news conference Friday: "We want him tried in Zimbabwe because he violated our laws. ... Police should take the first step to approach the prosecutor general who will approach the Americans. The processes have already started."
"Unfortunately it was too late to apprehend the foreign poacher as he had already absconded to his country of origin," Muchinguri said. "We are appealing to the responsible authorities for his extradition to Zimbabwe so that he be made accountable."
Muchinguri noted the worldwide attention the case has received.
"There has been an outcry," she said. "Almost 500,000 people are calling for his extradition and we need this support."
Zimbabwe's wildlife minister says extradition is being sought for Walter J. Palmer, the Twin Cities big-game hunter and dentist implicated in the killing of Cecil, a prized research lion in Zimbabwe.
Oppah Muchinguri, environment, water and climate minister, told a news conference Friday: "We want him tried in Zimbabwe because he violated our laws. ... Police should take the first step to approach the prosecutor general who will approach the Americans. The processes have already started."
"Unfortunately it was too late to apprehend the foreign poacher as he had already absconded to his country of origin," Muchinguri said. "We are appealing to the responsible authorities for his extradition to Zimbabwe so that he be made accountable."
Muchinguri noted the worldwide attention the case has received.
"There has been an outcry," she said. "Almost 500,000 people are calling for his extradition and we need this support."
Separately on Thursday, the head of Zimbabwes safari industry association told the Star Tribune that he believes bribery was involved in the hunt because Palmers guide did not have proper hunting licenses and permits.
There had to be [bribes], said Emmanuel Fundira, president of Zimbabwes Safari Operators Association. The documents which they used for carrying out the hunt were all illegal and fraudulently obtained.
There had to be [bribes], said Emmanuel Fundira, president of Zimbabwes Safari Operators Association. The documents which they used for carrying out the hunt were all illegal and fraudulently obtained.
There is video of Oppah Muchinguri, environment, water and climate minister in Zimbabwe at the link.
An additional quote from her:
As we frantically try to protect our wildlife from organized gangs such as this one, there are people
who can connive to undermine Zimbabwean laws. One can conclude with confidence that Dr Palmer, being an American citizen, had a well-orchestrated agenda which would tarnish the image of Zimbabwe and further strain the relationship between Zimbabwe and the USA.
Turn on the TV, Mr. Palmer. You are hunted, just as methodically as you stalked, lured and murdered your defenseless prey.
Words cannot express the revulsion the world's people have for you.
The exact nature of the U.S. investigation remains unclear. African lions are not listed under the core U.S. wildlife protection statute, the Endangered Species Act. A second law, which bans the import of wildlife killed under illegal circumstances, would not come into play because Palmer did not try to bring the lions carcass home, lawyers say. A third U.S. statute forbids bribery of foreign officials by Americans traveling overseas, but attorneys said this week its not clear if that law would come into play.
We don't yet know that Palmer didn't bring some body part of that lion back into the U. S.
Unlawful poaching of big game is illegal in both the U. S. and Zimbabwe.
We must find Walter Palmer.

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Cecil hunter Walter Palmer 'wanted to kill an elephant after killing the lion' [View all]
seafan
Jul 2015
OP
Agreed. A fitting punishment would be for that prick to be hunted down in a pay-per-view televised event. Now THAT would be justice!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2015
#42
Meanwhile, in America, the slaughter of thousands of wildlife mammals for trophies continues with nary a complaint.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#3
so he was devastated, but claims that they immediately reported the slaughter
magical thyme
Jul 2015
#4
Hopefully something might happen. This is a good start to expose these sick fucks! n/t
RKP5637
Jul 2015
#21
They lured the lion out.....try some reading before commenting, new poser. The NRA salutes you!
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#67
Your post had me confused. Above the snip it mentions Nugent then below the snip
A Simple Game
Jul 2015
#66
Yep. And I have NO problem with the "internet vigilantism" over this.
WorseBeforeBetter
Aug 2015
#100
When you hunt at night, and when you admit that you can't see collars at night,
Faryn Balyncd
Jul 2015
#13
Not only the cubs, but each lioness trying to protect her cubs is at extreme risk.
seafan
Jul 2015
#44
Hoping for this Sunday. Oliver will figuratively disembowel this miserable excuse for a human.
Raster
Jul 2015
#69
Why in the fuck are the Zimbabweans bringing in Americans to shoot their lions and elephants?
The Stranger
Jul 2015
#79
Where are the zooloogists with the science to debunk that absolute bullshit?
The Stranger
Jul 2015
#82
"Why in the fuck" is the same thing going on in America, and in far worse numbers?
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#88
hardly relevant, but that MN home is the fugliest McMansion I've seen so far outside "The Sopranos"
MisterP
Jul 2015
#95
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill
aint_no_life_nowhere
Jul 2015
#92
Ok, I hunt for food. Generally birds, sometimes getting lucky with a caribou.
raven mad
Jul 2015
#97