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In reply to the discussion: Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say [View all]William Seger
(12,558 posts)We know the planes were really hijacked from phone calls made by people actually on the planes.
We know WHO the hijackers were from the airline manifests, because they used their real names to book the flights.
We know that at least several of those hijackers made videos declaring themselves to be suicidal Islamists, and we know that bin Laden bragged about his involvement in the plot in other videos.
We know that three of the planes crashed into buildings and one into a PA field, from the eyewitnesses and the physical evidence.
We know that the building were NOT brought down by high-explosive cutter charges, because none of the videos -- made by virtually all the media in Manhattan, not the Bush administration -- recorded sounds anywhere near the level that that amount of explosives would have produced -- a sound that would have EASILY been heard in New Jersey -- and none of the various seismographs recorded any such shock waves.
We know that the "movement's" attempt to circumvent those inconvenient facts by claiming thermite was used, although it has never been used in a controlled demolition, doesn't work because there would be no way to coordinate melting through columns with thermite -- if that's even practical with columns that large -- with the required timing precision.
We know that there was no physical evidence of a controlled demolition by either explosives or thermite because the FEMA response team that investigated the site and collected steel samples for later analysis were mostly independent volunteers from academia and the engineering community.
We know that there is no NEED whatsoever to hypothesize about controlled demolitions because most of the real experts who worked on the NIST studies were also from academia and the scientific and engineering communities, not from the Bush administration, and we know that the "movement" has failed miserably to mount any credible technical challenges to those studies and the hypotheses they produced.
We know that other information that DID come from government sources (e.g. ATCs, FAA, NIST employees, military) was from career civil servants and military personnel, and accusing all of them (undoubtedly including at least a few Democrats who were still pissed about Florida 2000) of being "Bush administration" flying monkeys simply because they work for the government is just slanderous.
So without going any farther, we know that either the two central tenets of the "truth movement" are bullshit, or the "Bush administration" was effectively omnipotent in its ability to fake evidence and coerce thousands of people into going along with a mass-murder plot and keeping quiet about it for over a decade now. If you're really having trouble figuring out which is more plausible, consider the implausibility of claiming that the alleged plotters were so incredibly STUPID that the best plot they could come up with was so unnecessarily complicated and risky and required all that fakery and coercion when something much simpler and less risky (e.g. a handful of operatives making a few truck bombs) would have accomplished the same presumed purpose, and that they were so incredibly lucky to have actually gotten away with it.
Not that that implausibility proves anything, of course, but that degree of implausibility does mean that rational people would need some mighty convincing evidence to buy into fake hijackings and controlled demolitions. Instead, all we get from the "truth movement" is the same pattern we see in other conspiracy theories from JFK's assassination to the "moon landing hoax": The claimed evidence that would be conclusive IF it were true is highly dubious; the evidence that is sound just doesn't tell a convincing story of conspiracy because there are simpler and more plausible explanations; and all the evidence that supports the "official story" is dismissed out-of-hand as being fake for no apparent reason other than the inconvenient fact that it supports the "official story."