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MADem

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45. You keep expecting him to be someone he is not. You will endure disappointment so long as he

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:25 AM

Aug 2015

serves in the Senate. That will likely be for a while.

He can -- and will -- lead the caucus. I know you are displeased with this, but it's not up to you. His fellow Democratic Senators WILL vote him in--not because of or despite his political views, but because he's a very good housekeeper. He will keep the paperwork moving, he will keep the deals percolating, he will direct his minions to horsetrade, he will raise a king's ransom in PAC money, and he will distribute it to his esteemed colleagues in need of some fiscal love.

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Hillary Clinton: �All bets are off� if Iran deal fails [View all] onehandle Aug 2015 OP

k/r Dawson Leery Aug 2015 #1

Let's hope the agreement passes MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #2

Good, decisive comment about the agreement. Let's hope people listen to Obama and her. George II Aug 2015 #3

Bravo! think Aug 2015 #4

Good, I'm glad she did this, now can she exert any influence on the traitor Schumer? n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #5

What happened to "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"? Psephos Aug 2015 #6

Dissent? Is that what we call taking your orders from a foreign government now? n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #8

I see. Only those "dissented" against define the terms. Psephos Aug 2015 #9

You seemed to be able to provide one A Simple Game Aug 2015 #14

you missed the point completely Psephos Aug 2015 #73

Well we agree on Schumer, that's something. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #74

yes, it is Psephos Aug 2015 #85

Then you probably agree with me that many of the "protected" groups should be disbanded. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #88

I do agree with you. Tribalism helps no one. Psephos Aug 2015 #91

Tribalism, I like that, it's the perfect word. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #92

Except the reasons the Schumer used to reject the deal were republican talking points. His argument still_one Aug 2015 #30

Schumer has permission to vote as he pleases. It gives him cred with MADem Aug 2015 #26

The way he plans to vote is no surprise to me, I expceted it. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #28

Schumer betrayed Clinton with that vote. He's siding with the Republican geek tragedy Aug 2015 #34

I doubt she is at all surprised. It won't matter at the end of the day. MADem Aug 2015 #38

the problem is Schumer has shown no willingness to fight for things liberals care about geek tragedy Aug 2015 #39

You keep expecting him to be someone he is not. You will endure disappointment so long as he MADem Aug 2015 #45

and that's the problem, he will trade away most of the stable geek tragedy Aug 2015 #46

No, he won't. He'll carry out the legislative agenda of the POTUS. MADem Aug 2015 #47

Schumer thinks the ACA was a mistake. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #52

You plainly don't understand the role of Leader. nt MADem Aug 2015 #53

has Schumer exhibited the qualities of a leader? geek tragedy Aug 2015 #55

Yes-he has been number two for awhile. He has raised a fortune. He pushes MADem Aug 2015 #57

Not what you want in a Senate minority leader, though muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #65

He won't be carrying it to those guys, though. MADem Aug 2015 #77

This is not a game. mahannah Aug 2015 #7

So she's taking credit for the agreement and at the same time tularetom Aug 2015 #10

What? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #23

For Heaven's sake leftynyc Aug 2015 #24

Well, what's your interpretation of "all bets are off"? tularetom Aug 2015 #33

Oh, like, who knows what Iran will do? Who knows how badly this will affect any future agreements Hoyt Aug 2015 #37

No, there isn't anything. It's rather sad, isn't it? nt MADem Aug 2015 #48

They doesn't speak for Bernie supporters. Got it? Use a narrower brush. nt Snotcicles Aug 2015 #83

I think you need to re-read. You didn't take her point at all. nt MADem Aug 2015 #27

I guess when you have such a bias against someone you have to make things up about that person still_one Aug 2015 #31

I'll admit to a dislike of her, but I'm not making up "all bets are off" tularetom Aug 2015 #36

So you bring AIPAC into it. Schumer is against the deal, Hillary and every other Democratic still_one Aug 2015 #41

Mahalo onehandle.. thanks Hillary! Cha Aug 2015 #11

wow i thought the hawk would stay in its house restorefreedom Aug 2015 #12

"a lengthy and full-throated defense of the Iran agreement" Tom Rinaldo Aug 2015 #13

Correct. Now how do we get through to #'s 10 and 12 above that they didn't get it? nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #15

oh i got it. restorefreedom Aug 2015 #16

war is not an option. at least not for me. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #18

me3 840high Aug 2015 #20

Because the sanctions remain in place if we don't come to accord with Iran. MADem Aug 2015 #29

Most of the sanctions will get lifted. EU, UN, China, Russia, India geek tragedy Aug 2015 #40

But we won't--and our greedy corporate bums will be pressuring Congress to find a reason MADem Aug 2015 #42

of course, invasion and regime change are the only way to prevent a country geek tragedy Aug 2015 #44

Not according to HRC, or Obama, or any of the other Dem candidates. MADem Aug 2015 #50

if you rule out multilateral diplomacy, then it's invasion or let them get the bomb nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #51

No. Israel could deliver a bunker buster and stop that business easily. MADem Aug 2015 #58

It is not NEARLY that easy.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #59

All they'd have to do is threaten it. MADem Aug 2015 #80

"give the Saudis a few short range nukes..." Adrahil Aug 2015 #81

The Israelis have already suggested it as an option. I guess they have no sense? MADem Aug 2015 #82

Israel doesn't have that bunker buster. Only we do. And ours may not be good enough geek tragedy Aug 2015 #62

Since Israel gets much of their weaponry--or the money to buy their weaponry--from us, that's MADem Aug 2015 #75

they hit an above-ground nuke facility. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #76

They'd jump at the shot--some factions, anyway. MADem Aug 2015 #78

So you think that it will be easy to get BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #56

i agree with you on the votes restorefreedom Aug 2015 #64

Unsurprisingly, I totally concur. BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #87

We must apply pressure to keep this deal in place. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #17

Wait... She Supports The Deal, But Then Warns That If It Falls Through, "All Bets Are Off" ??? WillyT Aug 2015 #19

No, it doesn't mean she'll go full Schumer tularetom Aug 2015 #25

That's asinine. nt MADem Aug 2015 #43

she means we better get that deal approved. geek tragedy Aug 2015 #35

<sigh> Yeah ANY interpretation to hate on Clinton. Adrahil Aug 2015 #60

and let's not ignore this part azurnoir Aug 2015 #70

Good davidpdx Aug 2015 #21

Good! So now we have former NY Senators supporting it, too! villager Aug 2015 #22

It is important to note that the other NY Senator from New York supports the deal, Kirsten Gillibran still_one Aug 2015 #32

Exactly.... villager Aug 2015 #68

"All bets are off"? Whoa! That sounds SERIES !!!11! JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #49

She means we lose any leverage on Iran because the sanctions regime will collapse. Adrahil Aug 2015 #61

If that's what she meant ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #63

It seemed obvious to me what she meant in context. It's a common turn of phrase. nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #66

She's wimpy. Even 'tough talkin' Hillary' sounds fearful. closeupready Aug 2015 #67

heard my Sen. Blumenthal (D-undecided) on this last night in person wordpix Aug 2015 #71

If all sanctions fall away with no agreement, and no coalition, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #72

K & R Iliyah Aug 2015 #54

Warmonger. blackspade Aug 2015 #69

Why the opposition? HassleCat Aug 2015 #79

What does that even mean?? Fearless Aug 2015 #84

Got to agree with you. Politician speak for "I will start a war" and "I won't start a war". harun Aug 2015 #90

This Debate Reminds Me Of The DallasNE Aug 2015 #86

Just reading that Rueben Rivlin, the PRESIDENT of Israel approves the deal. maddiemom Aug 2015 #89