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Attorney in Texas

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21. If Biden runs, he and Sanders split the support of those voters who are uncomfortable with Clinton.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:31 PM
Sep 2015

Because the progressive wing of the party is not big enough by itself to nominate Sanders without additional support from other voting blocks within the Democratic party, Sanders needs the united support from the progressive wing of the party (and he's got it) PLUS the united support of the not-Clinton segments of the party (this is where his campaign needs to grow).

Clinton is very popular among Democrats (for example, I'm a Sanders supporter and I like Clinton). After months of non-stop attacks from the 17 Republicans, from the NYT, from the WSJ, from FauxNews, from Mourning Joe on M$NBC, Clinton still has about a 75% approval rating and a 15% disapproval rating among Democrats so the not-Clinton segment of the party is not all that big. Still, if you add the not-Clinton segment of the party to the progressive wing of the party, you are approaching a consensus. Sanders is making good and steady progress toward building that consensus (and he's doing it the right way -- emphasizing policy differences and not attacking Clinton personally or with manufactured right-wing talking points).

If Biden enters the race, he splits the not-Clinton vote with Sanders so the math is not there for Sanders to enter the convention with 51% of the delegates. If you think Sanders enters finishes a three way race with Biden and Clinton were Sanders has 51% of the delegates and Clinton and Biden average about 25% of the delegates each, you are dreaming. With Clinton's campaign infrastructure and bank of endorsements and campaign funds and with Biden's status as the sitting VP, the centrist-establishment parts of the party will assure that the combined delegate total for Clinton plus Biden is more than 51% (regardless of whether Biden jumps in or not, Clinton's head start with party's centrists-establishment is so substantial that Biden probably cannot overtake Clinton among them so Biden is probably in a race with Sanders for second place and Biden's path to victory must involve either a brokered convention or taking the progressive support from Sanders, which I don't see happening). In a 3-way race, it is exceedingly unlikely that Sanders gets 51% of the delegates against Clinton and Biden.

You may ask what if Sanders gets 35% of the delegates and enters the convention with the highest delegate total because Clinton and Biden split the centrist-establishment delegates so evenly that Sanders squeaks out a slight plurality of delegates. Then we'd have a brokered convention. If you think for one moment that Sanders enters a brokered convention with Biden and Clinton, and Sanders comes out the winner, than you do not understand how brokered conventions work.

To get the nomination, Sanders needs to win 51% of the delegates. He can do it -- in fact he is on the exact path he would have to travel to accomplish this upset win over Clinton -- but he probably can't do it if Biden takes half of the not-Clinton vote.

Not a Hillary supporter, but... TDale313 Sep 2015 #1
I think Biden takes more votes numerically from Clinton but has a greater impact on Sanders. Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #2
Biden is already getting most attention now, but as we go along here... Pauldg47 Sep 2015 #17
If Biden runs, he and Sanders split the support of those voters who are uncomfortable with Clinton. Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #21
Its an interesting poll but rather small numbers making up the respondants. Ford_Prefect Sep 2015 #3
CNN's polling methodology is crap. onehandle Sep 2015 #6
I once worked for Harris Polls and have seen the differences. CNN cannot be taken seriously. Ford_Prefect Sep 2015 #7
The sample size was 1012 people. former9thward Sep 2015 #12
If you read each question and the listed respondents for each the numbers get much smaller. Ford_Prefect Sep 2015 #13
Yeah, I agree. former9thward Sep 2015 #15
Not buying it. What a crock. I can't imagine any thinking woman voting for Trump. Laser102 Sep 2015 #4
You aren't including the non-thinking women. They are usually married to non-thinking men. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #8
Hillary is losing women to Ben Carson? Sorry, I don't get that at all. bklyncowgirl Sep 2015 #5
You know what they say about going black, right? Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #9
And I completely don't believe it. BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #19
Please... landolfi Sep 2015 #10
Well, a large percentage of Clinton supporters here claim their support jeff47 Sep 2015 #11
Elections are a year away? fbc Sep 2015 #14
The horse race polling now tells us little about who will win the nomination but it tells us much Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #23
Media's been slamming her 24/7, so no wonder. lark Sep 2015 #16
I totally believe Sanders has overtaken Clinton. BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #18
Quick, DWS! Eliminate the debates ENTIRELY! That ought to ensure closeupready Sep 2015 #20
Got that right. qstick Sep 2015 #22
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