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JCMach1

(29,264 posts)
60. The comments above about exempt expat salary are correct...
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:52 PM
May 2012

I just really wish they would make a bank account exemption for people with reported income at, or just below the exempted amount.

Is it really the IRS's business what I do with my bank account if there is not a hint of wrongdoing on my part?

Many expats are going to get burnt by the requirements who have no reason to be.

If there is wrongdoing, make me present the evidence in the audit.

The majority of people with foreign bank accounts are just ordinary Americans working abroad.

Democrats Abroad has a group lobbying and working on these issues:

Dear Democrats Abroad member,



Democrats Abroad’s FBAR/FATCA Task Force has been working consistently to develop an effective strategy to alleviate the burdens placed by new and newly-enforced tax legislation on US citizens abroad. The specific legislation we are focusing on is FATCA and the FBAR.



The Foreign Accounts Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) requires U.S. taxpayers with specified foreign financial assets that exceed certain thresholds to report those assets to the IRS. In addition, FATCA will require foreign financial institutions to report directly to the IRS information about financial accounts held by U.S. taxpayers, or held by foreign entities in which U.S. taxpayers hold a substantial ownership interest.



The Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (FBAR) must be submitted if you have a financial interest in or signature authority over a foreign financial account, including a bank account, brokerage account, mutual fund, trust, or other type of foreign financial account. FBAR legislation has been in place since the 1970’s but only recently has the IRS begun to enforce this ruling. The threshold is currently set at $10,000 and the penalties for not filing can be considerable.



We are fortunate in having well-placed contacts in strategic government positions, and have made some headway in our efforts. In point form; here is the latest update on our activities:



* We have been in regular contact with senior staff at both the IRS and the Treasury Department, who have been receptive to our concerns.



* We have developed a strong and sympathetic working relationship with members of the Senate Finance Committee responsible for the FATCA legislation.



* We have shared with our contacts at the IRS, Treasury and Senate individual stories illustrating the stress and challenges placed on ordinary overseas Americans. These stories appear to have made a significant impact.



* Our former DA International Secretary, Amanda Klekowski von Koppenfels, a scholar in the field of politics and demographics, has compiled a detailed stratification of Americans abroad, which clearly refutes any imputation of tax evasion as a general motive for living overseas. The statistical breakdown has been of great interest to the Senate Finance Committee, and may figure prominently as supporting material to our upcoming requests and submissions.



* We helped facilitate a letter from Carol Maloney, Chair of the Americans Abroad Caucus, to Treasury Secretary Geithner requesting congressional hearings. Secretary Geithner himself has acknowledged there are concerns with FATCA and we have recently learned that Treasury will host later this month a meeting of groups representing overseas Americans, including Democrats Abroad.



* We are reaching out to senators who have been major promoters of FATCA to bring to their notice that the anti-tax laundering legislation they introduced will have disastrous, unintended consequence for millions of law-abiding overseas Americans, as well as serious implications on foreign investment in the US.



* We are requesting inclusion in an IRS hearing on FATCA in Washington, DC on May 15.



* We are arranging a meeting with Taxpayer Advocate Nina Olsen Olson, whose 2011 report to Congress is highly critical of IRS handling of overseas tax filers.



* We are preparing resolutions to present to the DPCA Resolutions Committee at the May global meeting in Mexico. If passed, Democrats Abroad will then submit those resolutions to be considered for inclusion in the Democratic Party 2012 Platform.



We remind our members once again that Democrats Abroad and its FBAR/FATCA Task Force cannot and does not offer tax advice. All those facing problems or having specific questions are urged to seek professional tax and/or legal counsel.



Respectfully submitted to the DA Membership,



Your DPCA FBAR/FATCA Task Force,


This was from the most recent email...

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Traitorous, Treasonous Scum, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #1
+77,734 Angry Dragon May 2012 #3
? (nt) harmonicon May 2012 #8
Even if they drop citizenship LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #2
Fuck no!! harmonicon May 2012 #9
Double Taxed.... happerbolic May 2012 #13
You're taxed in the country you earned the money in wickerwoman May 2012 #27
If you live a full year in a foreign country, the threshold income is about $92,000 Art_from_Ark May 2012 #78
Double Taxed... happerbolic May 2012 #13
Except we don't for the extreme majority of expats Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2012 #22
You're right about the children of US expats BlueMTexpat May 2012 #32
Where I am you can't leave the house without tripping over an "expert" Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2012 #54
I know that it won't apply to most, but I don't think that matters. harmonicon May 2012 #50
Yes and no.... 6502 May 2012 #29
Me too! :) eom BlueMTexpat May 2012 #33
You're advocating a citizenship tax, which I think is unjust. harmonicon May 2012 #51
Wouldn't it stand to reason maxrandb May 2012 #63
No, there's no citizenship tax. harmonicon May 2012 #65
So it's progressive taxation that you oppose? n/t maxrandb May 2012 #66
And when's the last time maxrandb May 2012 #67
The south, I don't know. harmonicon May 2012 #70
No, it's progressive taxation that I want. harmonicon May 2012 #69
Thank you. jwirr May 2012 #52
Sorry, but the great majority of US expats are not "doubly" taxed. BlueMTexpat May 2012 #31
You have explained it well. grantcart May 2012 #44
Tx, grantcart - you're one of my faves! eom BlueMTexpat May 2012 #59
Thanks. grantcart May 2012 #62
I don't think it's a "RW canard". harmonicon May 2012 #53
As an American citizen - wherever I live - I BlueMTexpat May 2012 #58
But paying taxes has no relationship to voting for those living in the US. harmonicon May 2012 #61
I don't want to keep them as citizens. sofa king May 2012 #42
That is total B.S. Doubly taxed...go learn the tax code, thats a total myth. Katashi_itto May 2012 #45
What other countries do this then, huh?! harmonicon May 2012 #55
You have failed to understand the intricacies of tax-law and rhetoric. Chan790 May 2012 #80
I'm honestly baffled by this response. harmonicon May 2012 #83
Canada and the UK, for starters Art_from_Ark May 2012 #81
Those are not related to taxing income earned in a foreign country. harmonicon May 2012 #82
Canadians and Brits living in foreign countries Art_from_Ark May 2012 #84
And you likely won't. harmonicon May 2012 #85
Germany will Tax your US income UCmeNdc May 2012 #89
France Entrepreneurs Flee From Hollande Wealth Rejection dkf May 2012 #4
Run To The Rock, the Rock Won't Hide You, As TheSong says, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #6
Moving to Singapore seems to be a trend. dkf May 2012 #16
They Will Not Like It There For Long, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #23
Why wouldn't people be happy among Asians? dkf May 2012 #26
The successful innovators at WHAT??? gadjitfreek May 2012 #30
At Smash And Grab, Sir: At Finding New Ways To Grab Money By Smashing Other Peoples Enterprises The Magistrate May 2012 #98
Are you so deluded that you think taxation = not wanted/appreciated? CreekDog May 2012 #73
Leave it to the financiers to take the money and run. suffragette May 2012 #68
sounds like their home is where their money is CreekDog May 2012 #72
But not all who renounce U.S. citizenship are tax dodging Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #5
A friend has renounced her citizenship this year. PDJane May 2012 #7
You make an important distinction Lydia suffragette May 2012 #91
As someone who is an expat living overseas, I understand what is going on davidpdx May 2012 #10
The guy from FB was Brazilian to begin with. dkf May 2012 #17
Yes I know that davidpdx May 2012 #87
With shape the most foreign countries are in...good luck!! They will (expats) not escape "auterity" nanabugg May 2012 #75
Again you miss my point davidpdx May 2012 #86
Whatever, but they shouldn't be allowed to ever return and anything they owe the U.S. should lonestarnot May 2012 #11
Oh FFS. wickerwoman May 2012 #28
Check out the US tax code. BlueMTexpat May 2012 #34
I think they should give up US citizenship in that instance treestar May 2012 #93
That's fine. wickerwoman May 2012 #100
I really don't care about how you feel on this. If you are an American citizen and you owe taxes lonestarnot May 2012 #99
it doesn't work that way Spider Jerusalem May 2012 #103
K so America gets something. And they can't come back. lonestarnot May 2012 #107
And, no doubt, mostly good True Christian™ Cancervatives. xfundy May 2012 #12
Pretty simple solution BluegrassDem May 2012 #14
That is how it works now. dkf May 2012 #18
A free person should not have to pay to give up citizenship. Maine23 May 2012 #20
There's already a renunciation fee 14thColony May 2012 #24
This Is All The More Reason DallasNE May 2012 #19
I'm sorry, this is real simple. OffWithTheirHeads May 2012 #21
+1 Blue_Tires May 2012 #102
Keep in mind not everyone in this situation got there the same way 14thColony May 2012 #25
It's really mostly a tempest in a teapot. BlueMTexpat May 2012 #35
Let's see. She lives abroad, pays taxes abroad, and gets HEALTH CARE. mainer May 2012 #47
If you're implying that I'm "diss-ing" anyone, BlueMTexpat May 2012 #57
Hard to an article seriously when it can't get the name of the agency it is reporting on right... Ms. Toad May 2012 #36
so that means that if shit goes down in their new home country SemperEadem May 2012 #37
But if shit goes down in the USA MattSh May 2012 #43
Do you really think the US embassy would protect them better than, say, the Uk embassy? mainer May 2012 #48
no, the question is : do I really care? SemperEadem May 2012 #97
Now we see who's NOT "Too Big To Fail." blkmusclmachine May 2012 #38
Extremely dumb of them. caseymoz May 2012 #39
Switzerland and Monaco, to name two, are full of rich tax exiles Spider Jerusalem May 2012 #104
Yes, and ultimately, the natives will get tired of them. caseymoz May 2012 #106
Leeches harun May 2012 #40
If I were younger tru May 2012 #41
Oh poor babies............ Smilo May 2012 #46
The "country that has given them everything"? mainer May 2012 #49
You are talking about the lesser mortals........... Smilo May 2012 #56
The comments above about exempt expat salary are correct... JCMach1 May 2012 #60
JC thanks for posting that davidpdx May 2012 #88
We've lost our "effing" minds maxrandb May 2012 #64
There is no America deutsey May 2012 #71
Buh bye! tabasco May 2012 #74
Traitors Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2012 #76
What countries are they flocking to that welcome their $$ ? may3rd May 2012 #77
No, non citizens can't vote treestar May 2012 #94
This is proof that higher tax rates cause a drop in the amount of money collected. Maine23 May 2012 #79
Which "higher tax rates" are you talking about? jberryhill May 2012 #95
yes a drop of 1700 people who don't even live here. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #101
SO.... thats why the Bachmanns became Swiss citizens... Evasporque May 2012 #90
This is good treestar May 2012 #92
They hate responsibility more than they love their country. Courtesy Flush May 2012 #96
the almost Birchian response to this puzzles me CBGLuthier May 2012 #105
Can the US bear reciprocity ? picadilly May 2012 #108
The Expat Tax Is Law - The Door Is Now Closed! picadilly May 2012 #109
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