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61. But paying taxes has no relationship to voting for those living in the US.

Mon May 14, 2012, 12:52 PM

May 2012

To me it seems like a sort of "citizenship tax" for those who live abroad. For yourself, you're saying that it's a sort of poll tax, which we know is illegal. If it's illegal to charge a poll tax to those in the US, it should be illegal to charge a poll tax to those living abroad. Other countries are able to deal with their citizens living abroad - remember that the US benefits mightily from that as well - and aren't worse off for not asking a double tax on them.

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More are renouncing U.S. citizenship as IRS cracks down [View all] Judi Lynn May 2012 OP

Traitorous, Treasonous Scum, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #1

+77,734 Angry Dragon May 2012 #3

? (nt) harmonicon May 2012 #8

Even if they drop citizenship LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #2

Fuck no!! harmonicon May 2012 #9

Double Taxed.... happerbolic May 2012 #13

You're taxed in the country you earned the money in wickerwoman May 2012 #27

If you live a full year in a foreign country, the threshold income is about $92,000 Art_from_Ark May 2012 #78

Double Taxed... happerbolic May 2012 #13

Except we don't for the extreme majority of expats Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2012 #22

You're right about the children of US expats BlueMTexpat May 2012 #32

Where I am you can't leave the house without tripping over an "expert" Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2012 #54

I know that it won't apply to most, but I don't think that matters. harmonicon May 2012 #50

Yes and no.... 6502 May 2012 #29

Me too! :) eom BlueMTexpat May 2012 #33

You're advocating a citizenship tax, which I think is unjust. harmonicon May 2012 #51

Wouldn't it stand to reason maxrandb May 2012 #63

No, there's no citizenship tax. harmonicon May 2012 #65

So it's progressive taxation that you oppose? n/t maxrandb May 2012 #66

And when's the last time maxrandb May 2012 #67

The south, I don't know. harmonicon May 2012 #70

No, it's progressive taxation that I want. harmonicon May 2012 #69

Thank you. jwirr May 2012 #52

Sorry, but the great majority of US expats are not "doubly" taxed. BlueMTexpat May 2012 #31

You have explained it well. grantcart May 2012 #44

Tx, grantcart - you're one of my faves! eom BlueMTexpat May 2012 #59

Thanks. grantcart May 2012 #62

I don't think it's a "RW canard". harmonicon May 2012 #53

As an American citizen - wherever I live - I BlueMTexpat May 2012 #58

But paying taxes has no relationship to voting for those living in the US. harmonicon May 2012 #61

I don't want to keep them as citizens. sofa king May 2012 #42

That is total B.S. Doubly taxed...go learn the tax code, thats a total myth. Katashi_itto May 2012 #45

What other countries do this then, huh?! harmonicon May 2012 #55

You have failed to understand the intricacies of tax-law and rhetoric. Chan790 May 2012 #80

I'm honestly baffled by this response. harmonicon May 2012 #83

Canada and the UK, for starters Art_from_Ark May 2012 #81

Those are not related to taxing income earned in a foreign country. harmonicon May 2012 #82

Canadians and Brits living in foreign countries Art_from_Ark May 2012 #84

And you likely won't. harmonicon May 2012 #85

Germany will Tax your US income UCmeNdc May 2012 #89

France Entrepreneurs Flee From Hollande Wealth Rejection dkf May 2012 #4

Run To The Rock, the Rock Won't Hide You, As TheSong says, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #6

Moving to Singapore seems to be a trend. dkf May 2012 #16

They Will Not Like It There For Long, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #23

Why wouldn't people be happy among Asians? dkf May 2012 #26

The successful innovators at WHAT??? gadjitfreek May 2012 #30

At Smash And Grab, Sir: At Finding New Ways To Grab Money By Smashing Other Peoples Enterprises The Magistrate May 2012 #98

Are you so deluded that you think taxation = not wanted/appreciated? CreekDog May 2012 #73

Leave it to the financiers to take the money and run. suffragette May 2012 #68

sounds like their home is where their money is CreekDog May 2012 #72

But not all who renounce U.S. citizenship are tax dodging Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #5

A friend has renounced her citizenship this year. PDJane May 2012 #7

You make an important distinction Lydia suffragette May 2012 #91

As someone who is an expat living overseas, I understand what is going on davidpdx May 2012 #10

The guy from FB was Brazilian to begin with. dkf May 2012 #17

Yes I know that davidpdx May 2012 #87

With shape the most foreign countries are in...good luck!! They will (expats) not escape "auterity" nanabugg May 2012 #75

Again you miss my point davidpdx May 2012 #86

Whatever, but they shouldn't be allowed to ever return and anything they owe the U.S. should lonestarnot May 2012 #11

Oh FFS. wickerwoman May 2012 #28

Check out the US tax code. BlueMTexpat May 2012 #34

I think they should give up US citizenship in that instance treestar May 2012 #93

That's fine. wickerwoman May 2012 #100

I really don't care about how you feel on this. If you are an American citizen and you owe taxes lonestarnot May 2012 #99

it doesn't work that way Spider Jerusalem May 2012 #103

K so America gets something. And they can't come back. lonestarnot May 2012 #107

And, no doubt, mostly good True Christian� Cancervatives. xfundy May 2012 #12

Pretty simple solution BluegrassDem May 2012 #14

That is how it works now. dkf May 2012 #18

A free person should not have to pay to give up citizenship. Maine23 May 2012 #20

There's already a renunciation fee 14thColony May 2012 #24

This Is All The More Reason DallasNE May 2012 #19

I'm sorry, this is real simple. OffWithTheirHeads May 2012 #21

+1 Blue_Tires May 2012 #102

Keep in mind not everyone in this situation got there the same way 14thColony May 2012 #25

It's really mostly a tempest in a teapot. BlueMTexpat May 2012 #35

Let's see. She lives abroad, pays taxes abroad, and gets HEALTH CARE. mainer May 2012 #47

If you're implying that I'm "diss-ing" anyone, BlueMTexpat May 2012 #57

Hard to an article seriously when it can't get the name of the agency it is reporting on right... Ms. Toad May 2012 #36

so that means that if shit goes down in their new home country SemperEadem May 2012 #37

But if shit goes down in the USA MattSh May 2012 #43

Do you really think the US embassy would protect them better than, say, the Uk embassy? mainer May 2012 #48

no, the question is : do I really care? SemperEadem May 2012 #97

Now we see who's NOT "Too Big To Fail." blkmusclmachine May 2012 #38

Extremely dumb of them. caseymoz May 2012 #39

Switzerland and Monaco, to name two, are full of rich tax exiles Spider Jerusalem May 2012 #104

Yes, and ultimately, the natives will get tired of them. caseymoz May 2012 #106

Leeches harun May 2012 #40

If I were younger tru May 2012 #41

Oh poor babies............ Smilo May 2012 #46

The "country that has given them everything"? mainer May 2012 #49

You are talking about the lesser mortals........... Smilo May 2012 #56

The comments above about exempt expat salary are correct... JCMach1 May 2012 #60

JC thanks for posting that davidpdx May 2012 #88

We've lost our "effing" minds maxrandb May 2012 #64

There is no America deutsey May 2012 #71

Buh bye! tabasco May 2012 #74

Traitors Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2012 #76

What countries are they flocking to that welcome their $$ ? may3rd May 2012 #77

No, non citizens can't vote treestar May 2012 #94

This is proof that higher tax rates cause a drop in the amount of money collected. Maine23 May 2012 #79

Which "higher tax rates" are you talking about? jberryhill May 2012 #95

yes a drop of 1700 people who don't even live here. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #101

SO.... thats why the Bachmanns became Swiss citizens... Evasporque May 2012 #90

This is good treestar May 2012 #92

They hate responsibility more than they love their country. Courtesy Flush May 2012 #96

the almost Birchian response to this puzzles me CBGLuthier May 2012 #105

Can the US bear reciprocity ? picadilly May 2012 #108

The Expat Tax Is Law - The Door Is Now Closed! picadilly May 2012 #109