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43. That's why you basically don't know what you're talking about.

Wed Sep 16, 2015, 03:31 PM

Sep 2015

Let's put it this way, if you don't already know that the opposition in the Syrian civil war was armed, trained and directed by Qatar with the blessings of Washington -- moving weapons and Jihadis from Libya to Syria -- beginning in 2011, you're misinformed. If you didn't know that the Syrian exile groups who carried out the first stage of the uprising were supported, trained and directed by agencies of the governments of the US, UK, France, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia -- and that began years before 2011 -- you're misinformed.

Without the regime change patronage of Madame Secretary and Director Petraeus, there would be no Syrian and Libyan refugee influx, and no ISIS you ever heard of.

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Assad Blames West For Refugee Crisis In Europe [View all] Purveyor Sep 2015 OP

And Irony is officially dead (n/t) leftynyc Sep 2015 #1

I blame the neo-cons. OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2015 #2

My theory, for what it's worth LiberalEsto Sep 2015 #3

Your post would probably be more appropriate in the creative speculation forum. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #4

Like the invasion of Ukraine, right? nt LiberalEsto Sep 2015 #7

Syria isn't Ukraine. n/t Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #8

"invasion"... Purveyor Sep 2015 #27

Your point is? nt LiberalEsto Sep 2015 #76

As I recall, it wasn't Russia that destabilized Syria. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #5

Let me guess. Byw - ur right. 840high Sep 2015 #51

I did not accuse Russia of destabilizing Syria. nt LiberalEsto Sep 2015 #75

You said, "I think Putin and Russia are behind this mass refugee exodus." Lychee2 Sep 2015 #81

Didn't Syria destabilize itself? christx30 Sep 2015 #92

No. Lychee2 Sep 2015 #93

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #28

Is there anyone who doubts this nichomachus Sep 2015 #6

Everyone other than Assad apologists oberliner Sep 2015 #9

Seriously? I hope not. harun Sep 2015 #16

The Arab Spring has been a disaster, except in Tunisia. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #18

+ 1000. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #21

Arab Spring sounds a lot like PNAC. ozone_man Sep 2015 #22

You forgot Yemen 6chars Sep 2015 #63

I see. Well too busy now, ozone_man Sep 2015 #84

Arab Spring. That was probably a Frank Luntz contribution. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #70

"Who or what is going to replace that regime?" ISIS n/t leveymg Sep 2015 #30

Turkey harun Sep 2015 #90

The alternative of staying the same was much worse. It will take time. harun Sep 2015 #91

Do you believe this? leftynyc Sep 2015 #19

Exactly like Hussein, and Gaddafi ........ and Chavez, and every other polly7 Sep 2015 #23

It does seem to appear leftynyc Sep 2015 #25

We call them all sorts of things ..... I wonder what they call us? polly7 Sep 2015 #26

I don't think any reasonable leftynyc Sep 2015 #29

I give a shit. We've destroyed millions of lives. polly7 Sep 2015 #31

And none of that has leftynyc Sep 2015 #33

7 countries in 5 years. Look it up. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #37

I don't need to look up leftynyc Sep 2015 #38

Bullshit. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #40

Because we're obviously the leftynyc Sep 2015 #42

That's why you basically don't know what you're talking about. leveymg Sep 2015 #43

Thank you, leveymg. polly7 Sep 2015 #44

Yes, this isn't exactly news except perhaps to those who chose to ignore the facts or to twist them leveymg Sep 2015 #62

Exactly. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #72

Sigh leftynyc Sep 2015 #45

Are you blaming Obama? 6chars Sep 2015 #65

I give him credit for firing Petraeus and graciously accepting Hillary's resignation. leveymg Sep 2015 #68

That's a lot of teflon 6chars Sep 2015 #69

I said he made a decision to put the brakes on, and those who were pushing the policy left the leveymg Sep 2015 #71

Fair enough 6chars Sep 2015 #73

Amen McKim Sep 2015 #79

"We took the side of the rebels...the West has nothing to do with what's going on in Syria" Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #48

WE did not start that rebellion leftynyc Sep 2015 #50

Yes, we did. For years before the dual uprisings in Lib and Syr were sparked. See #43 leveymg Sep 2015 #64

And who told you Assad was a brutal prick? MattSh Sep 2015 #89

I disagree. While we have not been saints we've been Snow Leopard Sep 2015 #94

This woman might disagree with your assessment... MattSh Sep 2015 #88

Thank You, polly7 McKim Sep 2015 #78

I'm down with the 'vicious dictators' in this case. Witnessing the religious fanaticism of some of Purveyor Sep 2015 #32

I quite simply don't care leftynyc Sep 2015 #34

Our fault is the current diaster taking place because we removed the only people capable of Purveyor Sep 2015 #39

Iraq is definitely our fault leftynyc Sep 2015 #41

Just curious Snow Leopard Sep 2015 #95

Exactly right. polly7 Sep 2015 #36

And how is it our fault leftynyc Sep 2015 #46

This is as much about Assad being a brutal dictator as it was polly7 Sep 2015 #47

Oh - for Heaven's sake leftynyc Sep 2015 #49

God, that get's tiring. Substitute in the names Hussein, Gaddafi ....... Chavez, polly7 Sep 2015 #54

So you simply cannot admit leftynyc Sep 2015 #56

I freely admit Assad, Hussein and Gaddafi are and were not the best leaders. polly7 Sep 2015 #58

Like a rottweiler with a bone! smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #57

Like a vulture with an eye on more meat!!! polly7 Sep 2015 #59

I'm not saying that we have no responsibility, but let's have some balance here. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #60

I'm all for balance! polly7 Sep 2015 #61

Assad says we didn't stop him from being a brutal dictator 6chars Sep 2015 #66

Yeah, why is that? smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #55

Then why do the millions of refugees flee in terror AWAY from Assad? Sunlei Sep 2015 #10

What I'm seeing on the news reports are young men, of fighting age abandoning their families and Purveyor Sep 2015 #35

That's what I'm seeing. 840high Sep 2015 #53

Here is a link to some of the facts Marrah_G Sep 2015 #87

That's not actually true Marrah_G Sep 2015 #86

They're migrants. 840high Sep 2015 #52

While I know we have a lot to do with what is happening jwirr Sep 2015 #11

we're DOUBLING DOWN on demanding "regime change" and regretting we didn't give totally-NOT-IS MisterP Sep 2015 #12

Either that or you have to look in the mirror, Bashar. Oh! That would be a bit uncomfortable. n/t pampango Sep 2015 #13

No, Assad wasn't calling the "Europe-bound Syrians" terrorists, he... nyabingi Sep 2015 #14

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know eissa Sep 2015 #15

The country needs a negotiated peace. And "Assad must go" hasn't worked. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #20

the first round of negotiators will need lots of life insurance 6chars Sep 2015 #67

They Were Eating and Had Health Care and an Intact Country Until We Meddled McKim Sep 2015 #17

"For sure it was no human rights paradise." Do you blame the thousands that protested in 2011? pampango Sep 2015 #24

Your Argument has Weight McKim Sep 2015 #80

That's the way I see it. ozone_man Sep 2015 #82

In so far as the Sikes-Picot Accord happened... LanternWaste Sep 2015 #74

Not much question that the US, and to a degree Western Europe, guillaumeb Sep 2015 #77

Assad! YOU ar the terrorist, you evil bag of pig excrement! gregcrawford Sep 2015 #83

Assad is an evil man. Marrah_G Sep 2015 #85