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karynnj

(60,994 posts)
44. Not the PUMAs - the Clintons
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:21 AM
Sep 2015

Imagine if Obama would have chosen anyone from Holbrooke, to Kerry to a diplomat none of then (or now) know the name of. He had no intention of giving Hillary the HHS position which would lead the Obama effort on healthcare, an issue close to her heart. That was then reserved for close ally and early endorser, Daschle.

So, HRC would likely have returned to her role as a Junior Senator with 10 years of seniority - at a time when the Democratic committee heads mostly had over 20 years. There was an idea floated that the HELP committee in the Senate chaired by Kennedy could have the a healthcare subcommittee design the healthcare plan -- and that could be headed by HRC. In fact, all precedent is that a bill like that would be done in the full committee and Kennedy was in DC in summer 2008 - as ill as he was, doing the work needed to get this started as soon as Obama was sworn in.

After losing in 2008, HRC was a HUGE person in Democratic politics -- but her position in the Senate was far less. Had she not been married to the second biggest Democratic power, she might have returned the Senate anyway. It could even have been that she would have sought one of the leadership positions and worked to eventually be Majority leader. (Note that Kerry, after he was the nominee and nearly won the presidency, returned to the position he had in the Senate. He returned - as he left - to be the ranking member of the small business committee. In fact, Clinton allies went out of their way to argue that he was NOT a leader of the party.)

In Clinton's case, the combination of both Clintons, was too much to ignore. The offer of Secretary of State made it more likely that the interests of the Clintons were aligned to the interests of Obama -- and that they would then use all the strength they had to work for the administration. Not to mention, that HRC being as well known as she was could be sent to allies in what were closer to "Presidential" visits than visits of the US Secretary of State. It was win/win for both -- and overall might still be - even with the whole email scandal which in addition to being a drag on her campaign has been giving coverage to lots of long ago dirty laundry.

Compare that to the possibility of a Clinton primary challenge in 2012 - picking up steam after both Clintons blame Obama for the losses in 2010. Obviously, no one knows if that could have happened, but with many arguing that HRC was not treated well by Obama or the Senate -- it could have happened.

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Wow, and here I thought she wasn't going to give a hint SheilaT Sep 2015 #1
She won't ever be President madokie Sep 2015 #5
+1 MissDeeds Sep 2015 #8
I know, right? tularetom Sep 2015 #23
We already know what her stand is madokie Sep 2015 #24
UNLESS, she suddenly evolves and decides.. pangaia Sep 2015 #25
Hillary is not going to be President, simple as that madokie Sep 2015 #27
Well, she's still in 1st nationally and beats ALL gop candidates, 7962 Sep 2015 #33
Hey go for it madokie Sep 2015 #35
Thats for sure! nt 7962 Sep 2015 #58
she's making him the bad guy. Because he hasn't led forward on a roguevalley Sep 2015 #63
Isn't she behind the times? Hasn't President Obama jwirr Sep 2015 #54
Oh gawd, how ridiculous. Darb Sep 2015 #34
LOL madokie Sep 2015 #36
Well it's settled then. Darb Sep 2015 #60
Says the person with 3 hides in the last 90 days. Quackers Sep 2015 #64
Results LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #66
Yep, and I'm the one who alerted. Quackers Sep 2015 #67
I find that in election season finding something civil is difficult. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #68
Lol Quackers Sep 2015 #69
Well, nothing is impossible... Scootaloo Sep 2015 #52
You're right tabasco Sep 2015 #47
Sadly, I agree moonscape Sep 2015 #70
I think she's realized she needs to give an answer... thesquanderer Sep 2015 #11
Why doesn't she just come out and say it? Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #59
huh? Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #2
"Np Pipeline" is the immediate, obvious, and only answer. Gore1FL Sep 2015 #3
Whatever she thinks will win her the most votes madokie Sep 2015 #4
that's kind of funny, as right now, President Obama is in the WH treestar Sep 2015 #6
Corp. can not pass the EPA clean-air rules part of our Gov. permit requirements. Sunlei Sep 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #65
The Great Evolver bigwillq Sep 2015 #9
Of course she will say she opposes it publicly, & then reassure her donor$ that its just politicin' peacebird Sep 2015 #10
I second that INdemo Sep 2015 #13
What did she really say INdemo Sep 2015 #12
excuse me, is this the Onion reporting? ReactFlux Sep 2015 #14
Translation: "Give me political cover already by making it a moot point." n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #15
Yep.... peacebird Sep 2015 #16
Right bucolic_frolic Sep 2015 #22
How about taking a stand now? blackspade Sep 2015 #17
Can't say right now, the wind might change. bahrbearian Sep 2015 #18
"I am going to tell you what I think soon ..." Nihil Sep 2015 #19
Oooh I can't wait for "soon". LiberalElite Sep 2015 #20
So glad she stands by her "principles" Android3.14 Sep 2015 #21
If she's going to oppose the pipeline why doesn't she just say so? tularetom Sep 2015 #26
"“putting the White House on notice” and will make her position known “soon” pangaia Sep 2015 #28
this is why I call her campaign the "yeah, me too!" campaign. Javaman Sep 2015 #29
What a Bold and Assertive Statement! What Leadership! What Courage! YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #30
LOL pinebox Sep 2015 #31
Then why doesnt she SAY she opposes it? Or not? TAKE A POSITION. 7962 Sep 2015 #32
Yes, your last sentence. This cowardly lion bullshit is unbecoming for someone closeupready Sep 2015 #49
I don't understand. This is about what she would do as president, not what Obama will do. CrispyQ Sep 2015 #37
Wow she really does think she is that important LOL... snooper2 Sep 2015 #38
Not the PUMAs - the Clintons karynnj Sep 2015 #44
Is this an onion article? ram2008 Sep 2015 #39
This is beyond ridiculous given her comments on Syria karynnj Sep 2015 #40
I think it's time all Democrats "evolved" past this type of candidate. jalan48 Sep 2015 #41
I think you are right. azmom Sep 2015 #56
Wow, just give your position. You don't have to be a jerk to Obama about it. fbc Sep 2015 #42
Not sure if the Clinton target is Kerry or Obama here karynnj Sep 2015 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author karynnj Sep 2015 #46
I thought this was from the Onion Depaysement Sep 2015 #43
She's so wimpy. closeupready Sep 2015 #48
It sounds like someone's inner circle group are positioning their stocks first! nt TheBlackAdder Sep 2015 #50
Obama's probably waiting for an ISDS court case through a passed TPP to be used for Keystone... cascadiance Sep 2015 #51
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahhhh... TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #53
Here is what McKibben has to say to Hillary. azmom Sep 2015 #55
Are all the other candidates as considerate as her? Township75 Sep 2015 #57
I could imagine the apoplectic posts here had Sen Sanders put the WH on notice. frylock Sep 2015 #61
"Let me just say this about that"? IDemo Sep 2015 #62
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