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162. I accept it

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 04:33 AM

Sep 2015

I accept that we're not going to get to inspections via the legal route, you've made that clear.

If the FDA can inspect farms for reasons of public safety, and if the NRC can inspect nuclear reactors for public safety, then maybe the correct approach will be that of licensing, regulation and public safety inspections instead of crime prevention. Greater minds than mine will have to plot that course I guess, or plot a better course than one I can come up with.

Hearing your unbiased take on the hurdles to banning civilian gun ownership makes it all the more humorous to go to right wing gun fancier sites and read the paranoid ramblings about a UN gun ban and the Chinese Army stomping into the Tennessee hills to take everyone's guns away.

Can you play Devil's Advocate here and lay out a course that you could see leading to a greatly reduced right to own guns?

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Stricter State Gun Laws Tied To Fewer U.S. Teens With Firearms [View all] onehandle Sep 2015 OP

Again, this is how simple this is. Either the future is randys1 Sep 2015 #1

Which do you prefer? Serious question. BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #5

Everybody has a gun and much more gun deaths or no gun deaths? Do you have to ask? randys1 Sep 2015 #6

That's cool, just keep your hands off my 6mw laser. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #8

It wont be me, but if we were to enforce the 2nd your gun would be in a militia where it belongs randys1 Sep 2015 #9

My possession and ownership of all of my firearms is entirely consistent AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #11

You're so mysterious... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #18

After all the illegal drug laws were ignored, yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #106

Bad things might happen if we get rid of guns? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #113

Look out below! Kingofalldems Sep 2015 #2

'Military style' has fuck-all to do with it. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #3

Whaa? bobclark86 Sep 2015 #4

Well, 'military style' can include a lot of things AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #7

Safe? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #55

Yeah, let's see a kid try that with a 1000lb Liberty safe that's bolted to two walls and the floor AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #58

Great! More common ground! BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #62

I wouldn't ban that garbage safe. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #68

We're being serious BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #73

"random surprise compliance inspections" NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #80

Of course I value the 4th Amendment BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #99

The huge difference is that gun owners aren't FFL's and aren't running a business, GGJohn Sep 2015 #103

Kinda that... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #116

You do know this is a LIBERAL website don't you? GGJohn Sep 2015 #123

Very tolerant and open minded... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #126

I'm not tolerant nor open minded towards those that want to curtail our civil rights, GGJohn Sep 2015 #134

#1, a business is not a "house". NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #109

HA! BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #117

By that logic sarisataka Sep 2015 #111

Heck, having children could be grounds for random government inspections. branford Sep 2015 #115

Not even worthy of a response n/t BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #121

I would welcome guns being regulated like prescription drugs!!! BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #120

You're comparing meds to firearms? GGJohn Sep 2015 #122

I was responding to post #111 by sarisataka asking if I thought the police BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #129

Oh, ok, GGJohn Sep 2015 #132

Those that die by drug overdose BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #149

You are moving your goalposts sarisataka Sep 2015 #136

Well then... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #150

You could welcome it all you want. branford Sep 2015 #141

Your contribution was full of facts and great arguments. BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #151

The requirements that may be demanded for a professional license, branford Sep 2015 #159

I accept it BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #162

First, the fear of the UN taking our guns is humorous. branford Sep 2015 #165

Hmmm, Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #201

"Random surprise compliance inspections" GGJohn Sep 2015 #84

See post #99, two posts up n/t BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #100

Don't be so quick to dismiss the dangers of military style assault weapons BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #10

High capacity clip technology ended with the en-bloc 8 shot Garand rifle. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #12

OK, make that "high capacity MAGAZINE." Happy now? Paladin Sep 2015 #13

Anti-gunners use loaded words to obscure the fact that rifles are rarely used in crime: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #14

Whatever. I'm for gun control, and I have a considerable knowledge of firearms. Paladin Sep 2015 #16

What matter the design of a gun? It's the *use* that should concern all of us. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #17

I'm for quite a lot of gun control. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #25

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #21

It matters when discussing legislative proposals for real issues in the real world. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #26

You don't need much more than a quill pen to exercise your right to free speech friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #27

Actually, I don't believe there is a right to hunt... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #29

You lot would get a lot farther if you ditched the constant sexual references friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #31

I'm pretty sure that was the only faintly sexual reference I made n/t BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #56

I hunt. But you're right. The 2nd amendment is not and never has been about hunting. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #39

GREAT! Common ground has been discovered. BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #57

Loaded question is loaded. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #59

Lies, damn lies, stats BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #63

Handguns certainly poll favorably. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #69

No one in my neighborhood has an Obama sticker on their car BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #74

The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. GGJohn Sep 2015 #85

When word processors and bubble jet printers start killing random passers by, BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #107

You want to allow only firearms that were around when the 2A was first written? GGJohn Sep 2015 #108

Cool, I want a cannon-equipped warship like John Hancock owned and used! friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #124

I'm going to go start a gonfundme to get my neighborhood watch a stealth bomber n/t BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #130

Generic BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #125

You don't support the private ownership of firearms? GGJohn Sep 2015 #135

Yep BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #152

No, you won't. GGJohn Sep 2015 #168

"I don't support the private ownership of weapons." A gradualist prohibitionist, eh? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #184

He's openly and readily admitted he wishes to ban civilian ownership of firearms. branford Sep 2015 #191

The explicit gun banners are outnumbered by the dissembling ones... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #193

Paladin DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #45

Clearly not 'Have Gun, Will Travel'. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #60

I've owned and used a variety of guns for over 50 years. Paladin Sep 2015 #81

Good one DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #118

Off topic for a minute BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #131

Yes or similar ones DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #189

Would appreciate some clarification of this. Paladin Sep 2015 #167

That post was in response to dash1bravo's post #118 nt BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #178

Yeah, that's the one I wanted clarification on. Paladin Sep 2015 #180

Ah ok DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #186

No problem. (nt) Paladin Sep 2015 #187

Actually, I just said 'clip' to see who'd pop up BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #20

While you're busy using trigger words why don't you explain the mass murder utility of a bayonet. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #23

You explain it to me, since you're an expert BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #30

They make use of the protruding grip (pistol grip) and foregrip AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #34

How much accuracy do you need for self defense? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #61

You are all over the place here. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #67

Obviously I'm not changing your mind on this BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #112

The M24 SWS is the workhorse of the army, for now. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #175

It would be nice DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #194

"bipod and his M16 on full auto." That is if the M16a1 would rock a full mag with out jamming. n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #195

We had A2s DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #199

The "a1"'s were known as troop killers. Unreliable and were issued with no cleaning gear. oneshooter Sep 2015 #202

OS DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #203

I was "one of those guys" oneshooter Sep 2015 #204

Let me guess. GGJohn Sep 2015 #205

Yea, a Huey UH-1 Slow, noisey and tended to get shot at. oneshooter Sep 2015 #206

Yep, quite familiar with the Huey, flew it and the Cobra in Vietnam. GGJohn Sep 2015 #207

We would sit on our helmets going inbound. oneshooter Sep 2015 #208

And 3' to y'all was closer to 6' for us. GGJohn Sep 2015 #209

Been home for a while. oneshooter Sep 2015 #210

LOL. GGJohn Sep 2015 #211

Spent 20= years in Africa, Asia, Middle East oneshooter Sep 2015 #212

Do you carry a pocket knife? n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #95

Sometimes... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #133

Then you admit that "sometimes" you carry a deadly weapon. n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #166

Game changer BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #179

Me too. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #176

He doesn't have to- *you* need to explain why these things need to be banned friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #35

Okay BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #65

Ah, I see the problem now- you are using the 'need' argument friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #127

I'm using the lawful utility versus public health hazard argument BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #137

Since you've admitted elsewhere that you're a gun prohibitionist... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #185

Bayonet lugs DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #43

Fine, keep your bayonet lugs BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #64

Why, it's just a knife. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #70

What's the difference between a bayonet and a knife? eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #86

You don't sharpin a bayonet. oneshooter Sep 2015 #96

I don't have one DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #90

Your concerns are not borne out by statistics-rifles are rarely used as murder weapons: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #15

Ugh... bobclark86 Sep 2015 #19

Which is more dangerous, or which is more often used in a crime? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #22

If rifles are more dangerous, why do murdering maniacs overwhelmingly choose AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #24

It's a cultural and emotional thing with controllers. They believe certain things to be 'wrong'... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #28

You gonna turn in your pistols, and encourage others, to save some kids? I bet not. Hoyt Sep 2015 #33

I keep mine under lock and key. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #36

I own no guns- your prejudices have once again led you to error friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #38

I know, you just promote gunz to make sure other gun fanciers have easy access. Hoyt Sep 2015 #42

Actually, I do it to help keep controllers from driving the Democratic Party over a cliff friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #44

Sure yoy do. Hoyt Sep 2015 #54

It really bugs you that we, as US citizens, GGJohn Sep 2015 #87

I'll bite...why does it bug him? nt BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #153

Are you putting me on? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #37

How is 'majority' and 'overwhelmingly' different given the AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #40

Here's my argument BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #47

If you think 'watch your mouth' carries any weight on the internet, go ahead and block me now. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #49

My apologies... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #71

Violence went down as poverty rose in the last recession. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #75

At who's feet should we lay the blame? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #138

Unclear. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #174

"My argument is that where you find fewer guns you fewer gun homicides." GGJohn Sep 2015 #88

EXACTLY!!! You get it! BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #139

So in essence, you're saying that those killed by firearms GGJohn Sep 2015 #140

Which one kills more? Which one is more likely to kill me? bobclark86 Sep 2015 #51

arguing with gun humpers is a waste of time Skittles Sep 2015 #77

Just like argueing with gun grabbers. Right? oneshooter Sep 2015 #171

LOL, gun grabber - please Skittles Sep 2015 #177

Same difference, the insults still fly from youy keyboard. oneshooter Sep 2015 #181

LIKE I SAID Skittles Sep 2015 #182

And you can not debate with someone who has no idea what he is talking about. oneshooter Sep 2015 #183

Citation please BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #66

Virtually all raw criminal justice-related data and demographics branford Sep 2015 #145

Before I go there, can you tell me if the mounted bayonet catergory is covered? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #154

"Mounted bayonet" unsurprisingly is not a specific enumerated category. branford Sep 2015 #160

Prediction BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #161

That hipster will probably poke his eye out or stab his foot. branford Sep 2015 #164

A better way to look at this BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #188

Gun fanciers do not care. Teen deaths, spousal abuse and intimidation with gunz, mass shootings, etc Hoyt Sep 2015 #32

What's your definition of a gun fancier? DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #48

Someone who likes guns more than he does friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #50

people more offended about terms like "gun fancier" than by senseless gun slaughter Skittles Sep 2015 #52

That's pretty much it. Hoyt Sep 2015 #53

See post 91 DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #93

A good definition of gun fancier... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #72

I see we have a live one Skittles Sep 2015 #76

That's not me either DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #92

Thanks maam for the answer DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #91

there ya go Skittles Sep 2015 #94

And there is a difference between a gun graggers and oneshooter Sep 2015 #172

Agreed maam DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #190

"maam"??? oneshooter Sep 2015 #196

I thought Skittles was female. DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #197

I am more awake now. and your response was not to me. oneshooter Sep 2015 #198

No problem DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #200

"Guns fanciers do not care" darkangel218 Sep 2015 #79

Keeping you in gunz, makes it easy for criminals to get them. Hoyt Sep 2015 #83

Criminals don't need to get the guns from law abiding citizens. darkangel218 Sep 2015 #102

He never does when it comes to the issue of firearms. eom.l GGJohn Sep 2015 #105

Thats the reason I stopped posting in the RKBA forum. I can't deal with the controllers nonsense. darkangel218 Sep 2015 #170

Where do you suppose "The Black Market" gets their guns? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #156

From the stocks they already have and from smugglers , just like the drugs brought here. darkangel218 Sep 2015 #169

Exactly BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #142

I find this very surprising Doctor_J Sep 2015 #41

I'm surprised that social science confirms widely perceived reality. ellisonz Sep 2015 #46

More cars=more deaths. GGJohn Sep 2015 #89

And how is that going to help someone who is not phisicaly strong to protect themselves?? darkangel218 Sep 2015 #78

They do not matter to the controlers. oneshooter Sep 2015 #97

That is sad. Nt darkangel218 Sep 2015 #104

The small and the weak BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #144

Weakness is despised sarisataka Sep 2015 #110

Wow.. darkangel218 Sep 2015 #114

I believe you're taking that out of context, maybe BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #146

The extended quote sarisataka Sep 2015 #147

My opinion on his opinion BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #157

You are entitled sarisataka Sep 2015 #173

Good question BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #143

Asked during hunting season? or off season? One_Life_To_Give Sep 2015 #82

Not surprised rockfordfile Sep 2015 #98

Losers who have to carry a gun everywhere? GGJohn Sep 2015 #101

Complaints about "gun culture" are often little more than a elitist euphemism branford Sep 2015 #119

Great points, I'm glad you chimed in BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #148

I appreciate the complement and civility, and respect your candor about your positions. branford Sep 2015 #155

You make a lot of sense, and I hope you're wrong BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #158

As I said, I respect that you're honest and open about your views. branford Sep 2015 #163

Great post sir DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #192

Excellent gopiscrap Sep 2015 #128