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In reply to the discussion: Stricter State Gun Laws Tied To Fewer U.S. Teens With Firearms [View all]AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)175. The M24 SWS is the workhorse of the army, for now.
It will be/is being replaced by the M2010 Enhanced, which is the 700 platform with a bunch of ridiculous space-gun shit all over it, and yes it does have a pistol grip.
I have no opinion on the Barrett products, because I do not own one, and it is not ubiquitous in the army.
First you said that a pistol grip aids accuracy when you wanted to defend civilians having them
My response was informed by the context in which you placed it. Self-defense implies CQB, not laying prone. If you would like, I will no longer make assumptions based on the context in which you placed the line of questioning.
modern sniper rifles DON'T use a pistol grip configuration (which is false and easily proven false)
They are, at the least, last to the party. Pistol grips were introduced in Battle Rifles and Assault Rifles going back as far as the Korean war. The army is just starting to broadly apply them to Sniper Rifles as of 5 years ago, ignoring outliers/specialty weapons that appeared earlier.
Do pistol grips improve accuracy?
In certain roles, yes.
If so, why aren't they used on modern sniper rifles?
There are reams of congressional appropriations testimony on this question, I don't have a summary handy. Short answer is, they will be/are starting to be.
I will admit this point though; I thought you would introduce the 'spray from the hip' talking point when we started this thread fork, and you did not, so I'm essentially arguing against nothing. So, I sure fucked up there.
Edit: I should probably disclose, the army has upgraded some of those M24's to M24E1, which can have either a thumbhole stock or pistol grip. So it's not like they are ALL classic furniture.
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Everybody has a gun and much more gun deaths or no gun deaths? Do you have to ask?
randys1
Sep 2015
#6
It wont be me, but if we were to enforce the 2nd your gun would be in a militia where it belongs
randys1
Sep 2015
#9
My possession and ownership of all of my firearms is entirely consistent
AtheistCrusader
Sep 2015
#11
Yeah, let's see a kid try that with a 1000lb Liberty safe that's bolted to two walls and the floor
AtheistCrusader
Sep 2015
#58
The huge difference is that gun owners aren't FFL's and aren't running a business,
GGJohn
Sep 2015
#103
I'm not tolerant nor open minded towards those that want to curtail our civil rights,
GGJohn
Sep 2015
#134
I was responding to post #111 by sarisataka asking if I thought the police
BarstowCowboy
Sep 2015
#129
Don't be so quick to dismiss the dangers of military style assault weapons
BarstowCowboy
Sep 2015
#10
High capacity clip technology ended with the en-bloc 8 shot Garand rifle.
AtheistCrusader
Sep 2015
#12
Anti-gunners use loaded words to obscure the fact that rifles are rarely used in crime:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#14
Whatever. I'm for gun control, and I have a considerable knowledge of firearms.
Paladin
Sep 2015
#16
What matter the design of a gun? It's the *use* that should concern all of us.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#17
It matters when discussing legislative proposals for real issues in the real world.
AtheistCrusader
Sep 2015
#26
You don't need much more than a quill pen to exercise your right to free speech
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#27
You lot would get a lot farther if you ditched the constant sexual references
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#31
I hunt. But you're right. The 2nd amendment is not and never has been about hunting.
AtheistCrusader
Sep 2015
#39
When word processors and bubble jet printers start killing random passers by,
BarstowCowboy
Sep 2015
#107
You want to allow only firearms that were around when the 2A was first written?
GGJohn
Sep 2015
#108
Cool, I want a cannon-equipped warship like John Hancock owned and used!
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#124
I'm going to go start a gonfundme to get my neighborhood watch a stealth bomber n/t
BarstowCowboy
Sep 2015
#130
"I don't support the private ownership of weapons." A gradualist prohibitionist, eh?
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#184
He's openly and readily admitted he wishes to ban civilian ownership of firearms.
branford
Sep 2015
#191
The explicit gun banners are outnumbered by the dissembling ones...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#193
While you're busy using trigger words why don't you explain the mass murder utility of a bayonet.
AtheistCrusader
Sep 2015
#23
"bipod and his M16 on full auto." That is if the M16a1 would rock a full mag with out jamming. n/t
oneshooter
Sep 2015
#195
The "a1"'s were known as troop killers. Unreliable and were issued with no cleaning gear.
oneshooter
Sep 2015
#202
He doesn't have to- *you* need to explain why these things need to be banned
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#35
Since you've admitted elsewhere that you're a gun prohibitionist...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#185
Your concerns are not borne out by statistics-rifles are rarely used as murder weapons:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#15
If rifles are more dangerous, why do murdering maniacs overwhelmingly choose
AtheistCrusader
Sep 2015
#24
It's a cultural and emotional thing with controllers. They believe certain things to be 'wrong'...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#28
You gonna turn in your pistols, and encourage others, to save some kids? I bet not.
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#33
Actually, I do it to help keep controllers from driving the Democratic Party over a cliff
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#44
If you think 'watch your mouth' carries any weight on the internet, go ahead and block me now.
AtheistCrusader
Sep 2015
#49
And you can not debate with someone who has no idea what he is talking about.
oneshooter
Sep 2015
#183
Before I go there, can you tell me if the mounted bayonet catergory is covered?
BarstowCowboy
Sep 2015
#154
Gun fanciers do not care. Teen deaths, spousal abuse and intimidation with gunz, mass shootings, etc
Hoyt
Sep 2015
#32
people more offended about terms like "gun fancier" than by senseless gun slaughter
Skittles
Sep 2015
#52
Thats the reason I stopped posting in the RKBA forum. I can't deal with the controllers nonsense.
darkangel218
Sep 2015
#170
From the stocks they already have and from smugglers , just like the drugs brought here.
darkangel218
Sep 2015
#169
And how is that going to help someone who is not phisicaly strong to protect themselves??
darkangel218
Sep 2015
#78
Complaints about "gun culture" are often little more than a elitist euphemism
branford
Sep 2015
#119
I appreciate the complement and civility, and respect your candor about your positions.
branford
Sep 2015
#155