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33. So what kind of injuries would warrant

Tue May 15, 2012, 08:25 PM

May 2012

the shooting?

Is there a set limit when it is OK to shoot?
Broken nose apparently is not OK.
Cuts to your head are also not OK.

Maybe a broken nose and a broken jaw? How about two broken arms? How many broken ribs are enough - you have a bunch anyway, maybe we set the limit at 5?

How about slamming your head into concrete? Are 3 times enough? Maybe 25?

And who keeps the count? Do you ask for a timeout to do an inventory and if you are below the limit, let him beat you up some more, before you can shoot?

BTW, in 2010 5.8% of the reported murders were committed with bare hands. Look it up, it happens all the time.

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George Zimmerman had a broken nose, two cuts and two black eyes: ABC News report [View all] Vattel May 2012 OP

See? JackInGreen May 2012 #1

It's not that hard. surrealAmerican May 2012 #21

Thanks surreal JackInGreen May 2012 #26

Be sure that the cursor is inside the Message text: box when you do that, otherwise nothing happens. patrice May 2012 #58

Love the signature quote, miss the show. rwsanders May 2012 #140

HEADS UP: next day doctor reports probably not admissible, if objected to. Does FL want conviction? leveymg May 2012 #170

thanks, I needed that hint too. northoftheborder May 2012 #36

Oh my. Control-Z May 2012 #52

or do it the sysadmin way.... Evasporque May 2012 #135

You can also type the following word: :sarcasm: lunatica May 2012 #125

Falsified, no doubt Gman May 2012 #2

I was wondering JackInGreen May 2012 #4

Black eyes are bruises, and bruises sometimes take a while to develop. Vattel May 2012 #41

BS - I had my nose broken, and it swelled up immediately. He was unmarked in the police video. leveymg May 2012 #144

You deny that black eyes sometimes take time to develop after an injury? Wow. okay. Vattel May 2012 #163

I've viewed the video of GZ being led into the station many times. leveymg May 2012 #166

so his medical records are falsified? Vattel May 2012 #174

Next day medical records inherently suspect. Motive to self-inflict is leveymg May 2012 #180

Oh I see your point: the reports could be valid but the injuries self-inflicted. Vattel May 2012 #185

Most people don't go around hunting "f-ucking coons' with a handgun, either. leveymg May 2012 #186

Is that what he said? I don't know. Vattel May 2012 #187

Zimmerman, Sr. was allowed to accompany his son to the scene during a reenactment the day after. leveymg May 2012 #190

Your new claim is more plausible than your initial claim. Vattel May 2012 #205

Exactly! This is a murder trial not some tort claim for hit-and-run. edcantor May 2012 #199

I remember my last black eye clearly... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #209

Looks like you have this case solved Kingofalldems May 2012 #212

Hardly... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #216

I'm just glad to know that Treyvon stood his ground and got in some licks before he was murdered. xtraxritical May 2012 #172

we don't actually KNOW that. We know the shooter appeared .. edcantor May 2012 #200

Any chance his dad punched him in the effin' face when he found out what he did? auburngrad82 May 2012 #143

my first thought as well. mopinko May 2012 #146

His eyes weren't swollen, his nose wasn't red Gman May 2012 #189

Not saying he did falsify injuries, but the motive to endure that would be HIGH, from threat of patrice May 2012 #15

So how did Trayvon get the injuries on his knuckles? dkf May 2012 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author dpibel May 2012 #123

Some injuries on Trayvon's knuckles would not preclude more "injuries-for-hire" later & Even patrice May 2012 #154

able? naaman fletcher May 2012 #193

Assuming one hypothetical instance of "ability", i.e. "one good blow", also establishes likelihood? patrice May 2012 #197

I'm just saying... naaman fletcher May 2012 #204

Do you have evidence? I don't think so! edcantor May 2012 #201

"...a small abrasion, Dogtown May 2012 #217

"...a small abrasion, Dogtown May 2012 #219

was that confirmed? i thought you said you were waiting for the evidence? CreekDog May 2012 #226

Did you see the pictures GPS & Time stamped before he went to the station? They 24601 May 2012 #73

"A broken nose, two black eyes and two small cuts" LongTomH May 2012 #3

That is not the standard... ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #111

You nailed it... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #210

Any blow to the head can be life-threatening. PavePusher May 2012 #179

The comment section could turn anyone's stomach. nt Lost-in-FL May 2012 #5

The comments section made me cringe. BlueIris May 2012 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #6

While it is odd that he didnt go to the cstanleytech May 2012 #9

A key question ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #112

Did anyone at the police station do there job exboyfil May 2012 #77

Kinda think perhaps his buddies at the station who humored the deranged vigilante Overseas May 2012 #83

Walking around the police garage goclark May 2012 #107

saw a clip of the video of him at the police station on local news last night Roland99 May 2012 #157

Sounds like he got off easy.... kayakjohnny May 2012 #7

Yep. I don't know what these alleged injuries are supposed to prove. GoCubsGo May 2012 #17

Sounds like the making Turbineguy May 2012 #8

If he was taking all those meds why was he carrying a gun? So apparently doc03 May 2012 #14

People on brain-effecting meds Turbineguy May 2012 #20

Oh I forgot we have the right to shoot people at will in America doc03 May 2012 #23

An automatic revocation of their drivers license might also be a good idea. nt hack89 May 2012 #127

so who punched him after he was released by the police? notadmblnd May 2012 #10

CSI makes it look so easy. Rozlee May 2012 #165

George was in picture perfect health at the police station. muntrv May 2012 #11

I know a fella who would have made him look like that for $20. n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #12

That's nothing. Brigid May 2012 #28

Sigh. Always that ever-present downward pressure on wages, isn't there... n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #75

At least this job can't be outsourced to China! treestar May 2012 #150

Must have been self inflicted, frogmarch May 2012 #13

video I saw when he was taken to station was an "x" on his head that looked self-inflicted wordpix May 2012 #234

Well that's working out well. (nt) enough May 2012 #16

I still don't get how he could think his life was threatened, since HE was the one with THE GUN. patrice May 2012 #18

The question is savalez May 2012 #30

Yes, that takes somepriority over my question because it preceded it in time. That happened before Z patrice May 2012 #53

Yes. Had he not stereotyped and savalez May 2012 #110

Yes they can in some circumstances hack89 May 2012 #130

So what kind of injuries would warrant minavasht May 2012 #33

Are you suggesting that someone with a gun in their hand in that situation, mentally assess how patrice May 2012 #50

After-all, the balance of power was hugely in Z's favor. Do you know what it takes to beat someone patrice May 2012 #54

Exactly! minavasht May 2012 #55

It might FEEL like a life or death situation, but it might RATIONALLY be otherwise. Law is rational. patrice May 2012 #105

That is not quite the way it works ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #113

Thank you for the rational assessment. Vattel May 2012 #119

Thanks! for the info. Is there somekind of standard for BGI? Or is it whatever patrice May 2012 #159

There are precedents and mostly jury instructions ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #192

yeah and you keep ignoring that word "reasonable" CreekDog May 2012 #227

I understand what it means in a legal context and the standards of proof ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #230

You don't have a single valid point or question. Control-Z May 2012 #56

is there any evidence minavasht May 2012 #68

He was following Trayvon. He was told not to by the police. Thor_MN May 2012 #134

Doesn't mean that he started the physical confrontation... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #211

The confrontation started when Zimmerman chased him down Thor_MN May 2012 #220

There's a difference... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #221

You are free as to your opinion Thor_MN May 2012 #236

the unarmed kid ended up dead by the guy who followed him CreekDog May 2012 #229

he called him an effin something and then took off following him CreekDog May 2012 #228

Not true in every situation. hack89 May 2012 #131

NOTHING warrants YOUR shooting when you pick a fight. kestrel91316 May 2012 #67

In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available JDPriestly May 2012 #92

Happens all the what? dpibel May 2012 #121

The problem is, Trayvon had the right to "stand his ground" when confronted by a gun totin' man auburngrad82 May 2012 #145

That does not really matter so much as it is reasonable to be in fear for your life treestar May 2012 #149

Injuries BEFORE the shooting would be a good start L. Coyote May 2012 #161

A stranger stalks you and then accosts you. sabrina 1 May 2012 #184

+1 (nt) Nine May 2012 #222

someone stole that out of CSI LV PatrynXX May 2012 #19

Many people refuse medical treatment minavasht May 2012 #22

Shouldn't the police have detailed photos on file of both Zimmerman doc03 May 2012 #27

They should have taken pictures of him minavasht May 2012 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #63

". . .Trayvon only had injuries on his knuckles" -- What about the big friggin lethal bullet hole? Hoyt May 2012 #32

I guess we have to agree to dissagree minavasht May 2012 #35

Sure. Trayvon -- unarmed teenager -- was pursued by jerk who would have stayed in his car sans gun. Hoyt May 2012 #38

Maybe, maybe not - were you there? minavasht May 2012 #39

as a sociology experiment, why don't you follow random strangers around in your car.. frylock May 2012 #42

I've done it many times minavasht May 2012 #45

I hope you are joking. n/t Control-Z May 2012 #65

No I'm not minavasht May 2012 #71

i think you're lying.. frylock May 2012 #91

So do I. n/t Control-Z May 2012 #103

What do you take us for? Dogtown May 2012 #132

Zimmerman didn't ask for directions. And you weren't there either. Hoyt May 2012 #47

No one's saying a request for directions is an invitation to inflict GBH. CBHagman May 2012 #48

So if Zimmerman did not have a gun minavasht May 2012 #51

Are you messing with us? Control-Z May 2012 #69

I don't know minavasht May 2012 #78

ADHD Diagnosis.... Impulsivity... nenagh May 2012 #106

FAIL. All evidence points to Zimmerman stalking and then kestrel91316 May 2012 #74

if zimmerman didn't have a gun that night, he would have never had the nerve to leave his truck.. frylock May 2012 #94

What evidence points to Trayvon starting the fight? JDPriestly May 2012 #97

Good point. Vattel May 2012 #129

Confusing yourself? LanternWaste May 2012 #158

Um, I think you are the one who is confused here. Vattel May 2012 #162

The confrontation started when Zimmerman followed Martin for no reason Blue_Tires May 2012 #139

one has signs of being fucking dead.. frylock May 2012 #43

name calling minavasht May 2012 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #57

Police dispatcher minavasht May 2012 #64

So he continued to stalk Control-Z May 2012 #79

It was a public street and Zimmerman had minavasht May 2012 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #88

He started following in his car on the street. Control-Z May 2012 #93

he just wanted directions, evidently frylock May 2012 #96

Our friend gets his directions Control-Z May 2012 #102

our friend would've had the shit kicked out of him long ago.. frylock May 2012 #164

That too. Control-Z May 2012 #182

per zimmerman, martin was not afforded that right frylock May 2012 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #86

He wasn't on a neighborhood watch. he was headed to the store when he observed Martin. Vattel May 2012 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #84

Have an nice night minavasht May 2012 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #89

@bupkus,while I appreciate your out rage w/ the other poster jaysunb May 2012 #108

nah, it's just subtle shit-stirring Blue_Tires May 2012 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #133

Why do you keep leaving out the dang bullet hole that killed unarmed teenager? Hoyt May 2012 #66

I'm confused. Change has come May 2012 #72

People who stalk unarmed minors with gun in hand, kestrel91316 May 2012 #76

+100000 n/t Control-Z May 2012 #81

maybe you missed the memo minavasht May 2012 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #90

you have all the right-wing talking points nailed down! frylock May 2012 #99

Actually, racists come in all colors. Just sayin'... n/t PavePusher May 2012 #181

I know of no evidence that he had a gun in his hand as he followed Martin. Vattel May 2012 #122

Pretty obvious to me that he did from what I have heard. kestrel91316 May 2012 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel May 2012 #175

What have you heard that makes that "pretty obvious?" Vattel May 2012 #176

Have you seen the medical report on Trayvon? JDPriestly May 2012 #100

"...a small abrasion, Dogtown May 2012 #218

yeah, you keep on believing that shit Blue_Tires May 2012 #138

I'd heard the report to say Control-Z May 2012 #60

Trayvon had a whole hell of a lot more than injuries on his knuckles kestrel91316 May 2012 #70

No Trayvon's injuries were not on his knuckles......... Smilo May 2012 #98

what about all the blood?... lame54 May 2012 #128

Sounds like his dad beat the shit out of him. Ian David May 2012 #24

that was my first thought magical thyme May 2012 #34

Or Trayvon. Zax2me May 2012 #80

Was his father in Sanford that night or the next day? RZM May 2012 #124

why wasnt he treated after the murder by EMTs ? a broken nose is not hard to miss on your face!!!! lunasun May 2012 #25

I had to get a CAT scan to determine whether or not my nose was broken one time slackmaster May 2012 #29

I don't belive him ... bayareaboy May 2012 #31

The attorneys Iliyah May 2012 #40

The attorneys brought the charges based on the entire scope of the evidence. JDPriestly May 2012 #101

Don't know why there is so much discussion about this now that he has been charged. Cronkite May 2012 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus May 2012 #46

Personally, because I want justice... Blue_Tires May 2012 #142

Yeah, but Trayvon got a severe case of death Canuckistanian May 2012 #59

Good. I hope it hurt. kestrel91316 May 2012 #61

pics? ER report for broken nose? If not, it didn't happen. Lil Missy May 2012 #62

There should be police and EMT reports. Broken noses do not normally require an ER visit. ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #114

He went to the doctor the next day. Vattel May 2012 #120

Lies anyone? Dawson Leery May 2012 #104

Showed up at a doctor's office, you say? The next day? KamaAina May 2012 #109

Actually it came out early in the media blast that he sought medical treatment the following day. ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #115

Yet it did not come out in the media blast that he had a broken nose and two black eyes. KamaAina May 2012 #167

There are medical reports. Vattel May 2012 #117

Raises questions about the Prosecution. Medical reports made the next day probably not admissable. leveymg May 2012 #168

I don't know how the prosecutors plan to use that evidence. Vattel May 2012 #177

Doubtful. What is there are the EMT reports, based only visual examination and verbal questions ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #191

People rush to quick to judgment BigD_95 May 2012 #136

I wouldn't be so quick to let him off the hook neohippie May 2012 #147

That is what it currently looks like mactime May 2012 #148

The prosecution better have more evidence than has been made public, Vattel May 2012 #178

uh huh obamanut2012 May 2012 #173

meaningless Blue_Tires May 2012 #137

it seems fairly obvious to me neohippie May 2012 #151

I know the "official" story, but Blue_Tires May 2012 #152

This fucker is going to walk. Guaranteed. Doremus May 2012 #153

Yep. Totally agree. classof56 May 2012 #160

Actually I am thinking repeated mistrials ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #195

In this country, the goal is trial by jury, not trial by television. hedgehog May 2012 #155

this is the most interesting riverwalker May 2012 #156

This Is Obviously Something DallasNE May 2012 #169

I wonder why the EMT report wasn't leaked as well? Nine May 2012 #183

Very good point. The family doctor's report probably won't be given weight as evidence, anyway. leveymg May 2012 #188

I would not be so sure of that... ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #194

Why would you assume imaging was done? Nine May 2012 #198

Because imaging is basic today in US medicine ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #202

Then it seems the family doc did not follow basic protocol. Nine May 2012 #213

I am very curious if any imaging was done ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #214

I thought it was hard to breathe, if your nose is broken, etc... blood, swelling, etc. and secondwind May 2012 #196

Not always. I broke my nose in 2005 and never had any trouble breathing, nor much blood. slackmaster May 2012 #203

It wasn't until I read this article that I realized Zimmerman's defense is justification. BlueIris May 2012 #206

What other defense could he possibly use? He can't deny that he did it. slackmaster May 2012 #208

Correction: I *can* believe it. I just think it's disgusting. nt BlueIris May 2012 #215

Its the only defense open to him and it may get some traction ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #233

Let's all remember melm00se May 2012 #223

Didn't voice experts rule out that voice as Zimmerman's? Nine May 2012 #224

if the case doesn't get tossed melm00se May 2012 #225

My bet is that it will go to trial and there will be a hung jury ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #232

I don't think it supports a self defense claim at all. Nine May 2012 #235

The early reports were hurried and lacked a solid basis for their conclusions ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #231