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Vatican Source: Pope Blindsided By Meeting With Controversial Kentucky Clerk [View all] pamela Oct 2015 OP

I suspected as much - LiberalElite Oct 2015 #1

Great minds..... Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #3

Yeah, I thought this stunk to high heaven. pamela Oct 2015 #7

Yes, exactly. MH1 Oct 2015 #109

And? Beowulf42 Oct 2015 #32

And there are a lot of Catholic Scalias? n/t mhatrw Oct 2015 #65

That's what I thought as well. I felt the Pope was probably not fully informed. n/t Tess49 Oct 2015 #41

That means the "journalist" who asked the question was in on it. yardwork Oct 2015 #85

As I suspected the Pope was not keeping close tabs on the Davis story as the American media Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #2

and - LiberalElite Oct 2015 #10

Extensive coverage on the Beeb and in the Italian media. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #57

You are talking about a head of state melm00se Oct 2015 #77

Link? Or hope? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #81

Well, we've been back and forth on this. longship Oct 2015 #4

Maybe. Or maybe DavidDvorkin Oct 2015 #5

If so Flying Squirrel Oct 2015 #34

I read an earlier story that attributed it to a set up Warpy Oct 2015 #6

Frankly, this is probably the most plausible. Francis has a mission, and it is not necessarily to.. Raster Oct 2015 #16

Joseph E Kurtz, the Archbishop of Louisville rpannier Oct 2015 #22

So was Al Capone. HubertHeaver Oct 2015 #37

And most other criminals rpannier Oct 2015 #47

I've now done a bit more reading.... Raster Oct 2015 #94

To Forgive Is Divine SCVDem Oct 2015 #8

So, the Pope gets punked. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #9

Welcome to American politics. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #11

Nah, this kind of thing has been going on in the Vatican for about 2000 years. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #92

Do you really think that the Vatican is not savvy enough to know Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #97

You're assuming the vatican knew. jeff47 Oct 2015 #98

Would love to see that connection made. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #101

It seems out of character for him to seek out this woman. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #12

This pope said gay marriage is the work of the devil Major Nikon Oct 2015 #17

Read the link I posted below and tell me he does not seek out fundie right wingers pro actively. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #18

Honestly Mira Oct 2015 #13

So how do they explain the whole shindig they held in November with that whole fundie crowd? Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #14

The pope is old, tired, ill-advised, too busy a schedule, given the wrong script, blah blah blah progree Oct 2015 #27

Not one of his defenders can manage to comment on that Time piece or others about that conference. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #76

I'll be happy to comment on your latest tack. Darb Oct 2015 #84

Your post was entirely devoid of comment on the article at the link. You preached a long and Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #103

Yeah I'm not buying the poor old pope was hoodwinked workinclasszero Oct 2015 #72

Lots of people high up in Catholic hierarchy are total bigots. yardwork Oct 2015 #88

Franky still showed that deep down he is a bigot Submariner Oct 2015 #15

And there it is....why some folks at DU so very much wanted to believe the Pope was not deceived Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #82

Actually, I don't think it shows that one way or the other. yardwork Oct 2015 #86

Here's the Reuters account from 2 days ago of what he said on the plane after the meeting progree Oct 2015 #19

Two thoughts Kelvin Mace Oct 2015 #21

His statement didn't connect conscientious objection to gay marriage specifically. pnwmom Oct 2015 #25

"That statement came in response to a reporter's question on the papal plane about Kim Davis" progree Oct 2015 #28

No, the reporter's question did NOT name Kim Davis specifically. pnwmom Oct 2015 #29

He didn't say he was unfamiliar with all C.O. incidents, and he had met with Kim Davis progree Oct 2015 #35

He hadn't "just met with a government worker who is a conscientious objector." pnwmom Oct 2015 #36

Well, less than a week ago. Yes, I know he is old and overworked blah blah progree Oct 2015 #38

His schedule would be grueling for ANYONE, and he met many, many people while he was here. pnwmom Oct 2015 #40

Yes, he's overworked and poorly briefed (sigh, here we go again) progree Oct 2015 #44

What I said was, that the reporter on the PLANE didn't mention her name in his question. pnwmom Oct 2015 #50

Whose reporters were on the plane? I didn't get that from either story progree Oct 2015 #58

Would you continue to insist on your Reuters version even if you read the actual text pnwmom Oct 2015 #61

No, the Reuters reporter did not imply but stated it was a question about Kim Davis progree Oct 2015 #64

We don't have dueling accounts. I provided you with a verbatim text pnwmom Oct 2015 #78

See my #66 - I was responding to your verbatim text in your #61 progree Oct 2015 #93

Wow, that was a very interesting transcript. Thanks! progree Oct 2015 #66

On thinking about this some more progree Oct 2015 #68

We agree on at least one thing, I think. pnwmom Oct 2015 #79

Yup. But the Pope sure seems to agree that a govt worker has a right to deny gays marriage licenses progree Oct 2015 #95

While it is correct that the government worker has a human right to object, HubertHeaver Oct 2015 #48

I agree. And I think he would, too, under these circumstances. But his comments pnwmom Oct 2015 #51

Didn't Pope Francis just undermine the authority of the Catholic Church? More questions Oct 2015 #49

Well, I'm sure that's what the rightwing of the Church thinks. pnwmom Oct 2015 #52

The point of conscientious objection is in lack of choice. colorado_ufo Oct 2015 #106

Vatican ventriloquists. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #100

These are Pentecostals. Scary if you ask me. They believe in speaking in 'tongue' (whatever). YOHABLO Oct 2015 #20

They're not even close to FLDS. Do you have nay idea what you're saying? They also aren't baby trillion Oct 2015 #42

Interestingly, now we learn that Kim Davus was raised Catholic. yardwork Oct 2015 #89

No shit. nt onehandle Oct 2015 #23

Can Kim Davis disappear, please? NealK Oct 2015 #24

No, this is good stuff. Flying Squirrel Oct 2015 #33

I'm disappointed by that guy. NealK Oct 2015 #60

I have to agree. I can't stand her, or donald trumps face. I'm disgusted that RollingStone put trump trillion Oct 2015 #45

Many conservative cardinals/bishops oppose Francis' reforms & teachings. Divernan Oct 2015 #26

You got it. There's a group of right-wingers trying to undermine him at every turn. pnwmom Oct 2015 #31

Human rights are not an issue of 'sexual morality' based on YOUR morality. They are rights held by Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #75

here is a fix to the above link mrdmk Oct 2015 #62

Thank you. Divernan Oct 2015 #71

for her its all about money elmac Oct 2015 #30

You'll never convince me bvf Oct 2015 #39

I choose to believe the Pope.. the_sly_pig Oct 2015 #43

I've said it before and I'll say it again awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #46

+10000000 CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #53

Strong words Liberal_in_LA Oct 2015 #56

I have to say, I thought it was a bone-headed, tone-deaf end to what was a pretty deft PR trip. MADem Oct 2015 #54

I do not agree with the Pope on LGBT issues, BUT that said, I believe he was blindsided nadine_mn Oct 2015 #55

I agree and here is why Marrah_G Oct 2015 #63

BULLSHIT--His security, including our Secret Service, would have had to pre-approve her. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #59

But security clearance has nothing to do with political optics. yardwork Oct 2015 #87

Do you have unrestricted access to the most intimate happening within the Catholic Church? olegramps Oct 2015 #90

Pope's visit with Davis: A fish on a bicycle. colorado_ufo Oct 2015 #67

Read this article, then tell me how surprising it is that the Pope meets evangelicals...From Nov Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #74

Outreach effort. Many evangelicals (particularly fundamentalists) are anti-Catholic. MH1 Oct 2015 #110

BS Alert, BS Alert he is a Head of State and the Fricking Pope unless the meeting happened on a YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #69

But the Chicago archbishop in that same article says the pope did do it on purpose muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #70

A NAMED Vatican spokesman says Popes meeting with GAY Argentinian couple was his only REAL meeting lostnfound Oct 2015 #111

Sure, they've now decided the PR line they need to take muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #112

Tony Perkins Will Join Anti-Gay Leaders At Vatican Marriage Meeting- Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #73

This I can believe mcar Oct 2015 #80

If that's true, why did they keep it a secret until the pope was out WestSeattle2 Oct 2015 #83

To speculate: olegramps Oct 2015 #91

I actually believe this. We know that here in the US the jwirr Oct 2015 #96

Uber conservative Opus Dei Catholics can't stand this Pope Loki Oct 2015 #99

utter bullcrap taught_me_patience Oct 2015 #102

The fact that none of you can read the facts and answer for them should convict your hearts. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #104

Bad Internet. pamela Oct 2015 #108

Sounds like the Pope is trying to have his cake and eat it too Blasphemer Oct 2015 #105

So the fascist "Christians" blindsided and exploited the Pope. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #107